Flag and National Anthem protests

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

it doesn't matter what others do, kaepernaki among many others in my opinion is disrespecting this country that gives him the
right most other countries would never allow. he can protest but he needs to do so on his time not that for which others pay for.
now if he & other players wish to pay the admission fee then they can do what they want up until then PLAY BALL.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

An interesting interview on NPR today about how it all began.

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/17/558390...-knee-protests

Here's part of the interview with Nate Boyer, a former Green Beret and pro player with Seattle Seahawks.

BOYER: It was right before the last preseason game last year in San Diego in the team hotel. And we talked for a couple hours about everything. I mean it was military appreciation day in the stadium. 9/11's approaching. And he was sensitive to that. You know, he was - he didn't want to offend veterans. He didn't want to offend people in the military and even police officers that do it the right way every day. So, you know, I urged him to stand and then take action because that's really how this change will happen. And he said, no, I'm committed to sitting until I feel that things are changing and that we're moving in the right direction. And so through that conversation, I guess we agreed on a middle ground, with him taking a knee alongside his teammates.


MCEVERS: What was it about kneeling that you were OK with as a veteran?


BOYER: Yeah. I mean, for me, that's a sign of reverence. You know, people take a knee to say a prayer. And then, also, military personnel - it's very common to see an image of a soldier or Marine or an airman or a sailor take a knee in front of a fallen - you know, a fallen brother in arms' grave to pay respects. So I just thought it was better. You know, and it showed more about that he's paying attention, as well. He's not, in a sense, sitting it out. You know what I mean? He's engaged.

[UtahPete]

An interesting interview on NPR today about how it all began. http://www.npr.org/2017/10/17/558390...-knee-protests Here's part of the interview with Nate Boyer, a former Green Beret and pro player with Seattle Seahawks.

Fake news! So sad!

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i didn't know kapernaki served in the military. i'm sure he donates his time of which now he has a lot of to vet organizations. i was very
wrong about him. NOT
oh, i was wondering has kapernaki made any statements about players who beat wives/girlfriends, drug use, fights or any other things
that might plague professional sports?

[Firefly]

And now, to get this thread back onto its original theme; Watch this if you think #TakeAKnee protests are 'disrespecting the flag'

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1719676148063868/

EXACTLY !!!

Furthermore, the Supreme Court decided in 1943 that no one can be required to stand for the pledge... and this was before they added the 'under god' nonsense to it in the 1950's.

[Firefly]

i didn't know kapernaki served in the military. i'm sure he donates his time of which now he has a lot of to vet organizations. i was very
wrong about him. NOT
oh, i was wondering has kapernaki made any statements about players who beat wives/girlfriends, drug use, fights or any other things
that might plague professional sports?

Straw man arguments.

Everyone has different issues that are important to them. No one can take them all on. He chose the systematic, unjust killing of black males by police. His choice. His freedom.

[Rogue Hawk]

Straw man arguments.
the systematic, unjust killing of black males by police.

There are random incidents, yes. But you have to prove it with an unbiased source if you claim its systematic.

[Bob Denman]

Tragic: yes!
Systematic?
Explain to me how this great conspiracy was hatched?

[UtahPete]

Tragic: yes! Systematic? Explain to me how this great conspiracy was hatched?

Maybe he meant systemic.

[Firefly]

Maybe he meant systemic.

Nope.. I meant systematic.

Blacks in America have been systematically oppressed since they were 'freed'. Jim Crow. Sundowner laws. Segregation. Incarceration. Police brutality.
Blacks are generally treated differently by police. They have a much better chance of being shot or beaten. If arrested they generally do considerably more time than a white counterpart does for the same crime.

They are not treated the same or fairly in general. There is plenty of evidence to support this.

If people seriously don't understand that, then they're in denial.

[UtahPete]

Nope.. I meant systematic. Blacks in America have been systematically oppressed since they were 'freed'. Jim Crow. Sundowner laws. Segregation. Incarceration. Police brutality. Blacks are generally treated differently by police. They have a much better chance of being shot or beaten. If arrested they generally do considerably more time than a white counterpart does for the same crime. They are not treated the same or fairly in general. There is plenty of evidence to support this. If people seriously don't understand that, then they're in denial.

Obviously, I agree with you that we have a long way to go in race relations in this country. But, I agree with Bob; to say there is a systematic pogrom afoot implies a conspiracy. The Nazis' eradication of Jews was systematic; our mistreatment of minorities in this country I don't think is. I think there are pockets of bigotry and hatred and mistrust in the US - some of them quite large - but I don't believe there is a concerted effort country-wide to deny blacks or any other 'protected' minority their rights.

[Firefly]

Obviously, I agree with you that we have a long way to go in race relations in this country. But, I agree with Bob; to say there is a systematic pogrom afoot implies a conspiracy. The Nazis' eradication of Jews was systematic; our mistreatment of minorities in this country I don't think is. I think there are pockets of bigotry and hatred and mistrust in the US - some of them quite large - but I don't believe there is a concerted effort country-wide to deny blacks or any other 'protected' minority their rights.

Okay... fair enough... how about widespread instead then..

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

ok i would like anyone on here or kapernaki to tell me why there are no protests against the mormon church since in their bible it says
dark skin is a curse or evil or something like that. the koran has statements from mohammad calling blacks raisin head & that whites
are superior to blacks.
wouldn't this outright racism be a lot more important to protest and make people aware of? i'm sure kapernaki might have some muslim
teammates he should be talking to, and understand this according to the koran you can not be a good muslim unless you believe and
follow all that mohammad says.
the kkk and the very small percentage of police who absolutely are racist are a minute fraction compared to these 2 religions in the u.s.

[Firefly]

ok i would like anyone on here or kapernaki to tell me why there are no protests against the mormon church since in their bible it says
dark skin is a curse or evil or something like that. the koran has statements from mohammad calling blacks raisin head & that whites
are superior to blacks.
wouldn't this outright racism be a lot more important to protest and make people aware of? i'm sure kapernaki might have some muslim
teammates he should be talking to, and understand this according to the koran you can not be a good muslim unless you believe and
follow all that mohammad says.
the kkk and the very small percentage of police who absolutely are racist are a minute fraction compared to these 2 religions in the u.s.

There's far more racism within Christian organizations in the USA than the Mormons and Muslims in the USA combined......

Also.. please go take a theology 101 class before posting about religions you obviously know nothing about.....

It's this kind of misinformation that is destroying America....

[Pirate looks at --]

There's far more racism within Christian organizations in the USA than the Mormons and Muslims in the USA combined......

Also.. please go take a theology 101 class before posting about religions you obviously know nothing about.....

It's this kind of misinformation that is destroying America....

Indeed when you source of education is the neighborhood bar, and that is how you form your opinions, we are all in trouble!

[Pirate looks at --]

True Pete! But I can't give up my caffeine!!!

[BoilerAnimal]

Indeed when you source of education is the neighborhood bar, and that is how you form your opinions, we are all in trouble!

Far too many Americans get their news from only one source and that source may not even be a reputable one. When you limit your news sources, you set yourself up to be woefully uninformed and easily misled by false claims or manipulation of facts.

[wyliec]

Mormons are Christians. "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"

And, since this is a thread on patriotism, maybe all American theists should join the Mormon church. It is, after all, the only authentic American church, untainted by 2000 years of foreign traditions and holy wars.

Do you have scientific proof? Who was the scientist, and where was he credentialed, and in what year? Does he/she (transgender) also shear sheep, while eating a pastrami sandwich? All while on one knee, which was just replaced recently, and is awaiting bilateral hip replacements.

I think that covers it.

Who is on first?

[ARtraveler]

Actually, if the US had a national church, it would have to be the Mormon church. It is the only authentic, original, made-in-America religion. Everything else is a foreign import and would be subject to an import tariff.

Christian Science (Mary Baker Eddy), Jehovah's Witnesses (don't remember the name of founder), also come to mind.

[Bob Denman]

Actually, if the US had a national church, it would have to be the Mormon church. It is the only authentic, original, made-in-America religion. Everything else is a foreign import and would be subject to an import tariff.

This is absolutely a non-issue: we have safeguards in place to prevent the existence of a "national church"...
Why bring it up?

[Bob Denman]

Of course it's a non-issue. But interesting to contemplate don't you think in light of the religious bigotry that is expressed every day by red-blooded, bible-thumping citizens?

I prefer to think about the possibilities, and not waste time on things that will never be...

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Well, your ignorance and religious bias is on full display in this post. I think I know now where you prefer to get your information from.

What we should be concerned about in this country is the perpetuation of misinformation for political and economic gain.

Not that you will change your beliefs, but the Mormon Church is actually called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints; they have the same Bible as you do. They have additional texts to guide their daily life and behavior, just as does the Catholic Church and other major religions.

If you really knew the Old Testament, you wouldn't be so quick to judge Islam as being racist, misogynistic or anything else that is anathema to our modern society (you know, the one with football).

YES i admit i am racist for reading the koran, judeo/christian bible , mormon bible and others and not interpreting just straight reading. but what i do know is up until the late '80's blacks were not allowed to be mormons and the reason they allow them is because they were opening up churches on the continent of africa. now as for the koran, it is the absolute word of allah and can not be altered. so
everything in it is true today and must be followed verbatim. so in essence a radical muslim is one who does not follow all that the
koran says so they may not be racist or beat their wives, a good muslim does so. as for the judeo/christian bible most people today
use them as allegories and don't follow it exactly and only the good that is stated in it.
Perhaps if you read more and attacked less you might know this to be true. If i truly were racist or ignorant i might follow religion
but alas i don't, i apologize.
Oh, by the way, do you know anyone who actually follows the old testament?
Now back on point a little, why does the kkk hate blacks & burn crosses? i am just saying these are the people that the protests
should be against since they are the ones (a**h***s & religious fanatics) that have a higher propensity towards hate then the
average joe or johnny law.

[ARtraveler]

WARNING, WARNING, WARNING

Time to turn down the rhetoric you three. Your going to get the thread closed or deleted. The line has been crossed a whole bunch of times.

I would consider deleting a couple of the most recent posts, I am guessing the black triangles are showing up or some are thinking about them. Not me--so far.

[Bob Denman]

WARNING, WARNING, WARNING

Time to turn down the rhetoric you three. Your going to get the thread closed or deleted. The line has been crossed a whole bunch of times.

I would consider deleting a couple of the most recent posts, I am guessing the black triangles are showing up or some are thinking about them. Not me--so far.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]