Flag and National Anthem protests

[UtahPete]

I would consider deleting a couple of the most recent posts, I am guessing the black triangles are showing up or some are thinking about them. Not me--so far.

Done. Thanks for the heads-up.

[UtahPete]

ok i would like anyone on here or kapernaki to tell me why there are no protests against the mormon church since in their bible it says dark skin is a curse or evil or something like that. the koran has statements from mohammad calling blacks raisin head & that whites are superior to blacks. wouldn't this outright racism be a lot more important to protest and make people aware of? i'm sure kapernaki might have some muslim teammates he should be talking to, and understand this according to the koran you can not be a good muslim unless you believe and follow all that mohammad says. the kkk and the very small percentage of police who absolutely are racist are a minute fraction compared to these 2 religions in the u.s.

This is misinformation. Express your opinion if you'd like, but don't go making things up just to bolster your argument.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

This is misinformation. Express your opinion if you'd like, but don't go making things up just to bolster your argument.

are you kidding?! you think that is stuff i am making up?! try watching the news, reading even read the mormon bible or koran to
find out if what i said is true or b.s. do a google search or look at wikipedia or perhaps ask those who go to those churches, what they
will say is "we don't do that anymore" not that we don't do that. the mormon religion is partially based on freedom for plural marriage &
islam is for domination over inferiors & over women (plural marriage & child rape. pakistan, saudi arabia, nigeria...)
i read a lot on the internet, i don't youtube, facebook or any of those other things that you might waste time on.
if you think the mormon church is fair & just then look into what they did about prop 8 in california a few years ago and why the u.s.
government has investigated their finances for many years.

this is just the quick stuff i have found, please tell me if any of it is wrong.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co...elty/long.html
http://janmorganmedia.com/2014/05/pr...traight-koran/
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/cr/long.html

[Bob Denman]

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[Rogue Hawk]

Nope.. I meant systematic.

Blacks in America have been systematically oppressed since they were 'freed'. Jim Crow. Sundowner laws. Segregation. Incarceration. Police brutality.
Blacks are generally treated differently by police. They have a much better chance of being shot or beaten. If arrested they generally do considerably more time than a white counterpart does for the same crime.

They are not treated the same or fairly in general. There is plenty of evidence to support this.

If people seriously don't understand that, then they're in denial.

The history is bad, but the country today is not '1950 Mississippi bad'. There are people who blow the problem out of proportion for political reasons. I think most people now will agree that mistreatment by police is unacceptable. Its the exaggeration many of us disagree with.

Also, police who use force are unfairly treated in the Media (guilty until proven guilty). The criminals know this and take advantage of it. That makes the world a more dangerous place. Also, police don't have community support in Black neighborhoods. That is why many are riddled with crime. I live in the Chicago area. The local news daily reports on the latest violent acts, mostly Black on Black crime, which is glossed over by Liberals. In my neighborhood, mostly Indian, Asian and White, we support police and don't tolerate criminals in our mist. So we have a safe place to live.

[UtahPete]

The history is bad, but the country today is not '1950 Mississippi bad'. There are people who blow the problem out of proportion for political reasons. I think most people now will agree that mistreatment by police is unacceptable. Its the exaggeration many of us disagree with.

Also, police who use force are unfairly treated in the Media (guilty until proven guilty). The criminals know this and take advantage of it. That makes the world a more dangerous place. Also, police don't have community support in Black neighborhoods. That is why many are riddled with crime. I live in the Chicago area. The local news daily reports on the latest violent acts, mostly Black on Black crime, which is glossed over by Liberals. In my neighborhood, mostly Indian, Asian and White, we support police and don't tolerate criminals in our mist. So we have a safe place to live.

I agree with the statement in bold. But I don't think that's reason enough to ignore the problems that persist.

The statements in red are suspect at best; they are extremely biased and just add weight to the bigotry that perpetuates the problem of police violence in SOME communities.

That's my opinion.

[Bob Denman]

Have you ever seen a cellphone video on Youtube, that showed the Officers in a positive light?
If I have: they've been VERY few, and far between!

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

the other problem is for the videos that make police look bad, you don't always see the beginning of what let up to the situation or the full
ending. oft times it is the back story that tells you why.

[cmbspyderrss]

the other problem is for the videos that make police look bad, you don't always see the beginning of what let up to the situation or the full
ending. oft times it is the back story that tells you why.

Just like our news of today. Show or listen to the whole thing and thoughts would be much much different on all sides.

[Firefly]

YES i admit i am racist for reading the koran, judeo/christian bible , mormon bible and others and not interpreting just straight reading. but what i do know is up until the late '80's blacks were not allowed to be mormons and the reason they allow them is because they were opening up churches on the continent of africa. now as for the koran, it is the absolute word of allah and can not be altered. so
everything in it is true today and must be followed verbatim. so in essence a radical muslim is one who does not follow all that the
koran says so they may not be racist or beat their wives, a good muslim does so. as for the judeo/christian bible most people today
use them as allegories and don't follow it exactly and only the good that is stated in it.
Perhaps if you read more and attacked less you might know this to be true. If i truly were racist or ignorant i might follow religion
but alas i don't, i apologize.
Oh, by the way, do you know anyone who actually follows the old testament?
Now back on point a little, why does the kkk hate blacks & burn crosses? i am just saying these are the people that the protests
should be against since they are the ones (a**h***s & religious fanatics) that have a higher propensity towards hate then the
average joe or johnny law.

Ugggg. where to begin....

1. Allah is the same as God. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the God of Abraham. Same (imaginary)guy.
2. Mohammad is simply a different prophet like Jesus. The Koran even mentions Mr. Christ numerous times.
3. No, a good Muslim doesn't beat his wife, etc. That is hyperbolic nonsense spread by Islamaphobes.
4. Judging the majority of Muslims by the actions of the few radicals is like judging most American Christians by the actions of Jim Jones or the Westboro Baptists.
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On the KKK, the cross burning may stem from them originally being an anti-Catholic group.

[ARtraveler]

So...

How many of you have driven your Spyder to a football game and had a tailgate party when you were there?

What you did after that...is your (fill in the blank) given right, or your (fill in the blank) priviledge.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Ugggg. where to begin....

1. Allah is the same as God. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the God of Abraham. Same (imaginary)guy.
2. Mohammad is simply a different prophet like Jesus. The Koran even mentions Mr. Christ numerous times.
3. No, a good Muslim doesn't beat his wife, etc. That is hyperbolic nonsense spread by Islamaphobes.
4. Judging the majority of Muslims by the actions of the few radicals is like judging most American Christians by the actions of Jim Jones or the Westboro Baptists.
________________
On the KKK, the cross burning may stem from them originally being an anti-Catholic group.

wow! you are really ignorant. look up in the dictionary what the word radical means, read the koran for what it most often states.
the bible says jesus is son of god, the koran says he is a prophet of god. to be a good follower of your given religion you must do
as your bible states, a radical goes against it. i'm very sorry i am using english and the meaning of the words as written.
you really need to read a little more before you make these silly statements.
p.s. islamaphobia is actually the fear of islam not muslims.

[BoilerAnimal]

p.s. islamaphobia is actually the fear of islam not muslims

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/IslamophobiaDefinition of Islamophobia

:irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam or people who practice Islam

[UtahPete]

So...How many of you have driven your Spyder to a football game and had a tailgate party when you were there?

My Spyder doesn't have a tailgate; where do you get one of those?

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

p.s. islamaphobia is actually the fear of islam not muslims

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/IslamophobiaDefinition of Islamophobia

:irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against Islam or people who practice Islam

yes you are right, i took it under it's literal meaning not dictionary definition.

Radical:
a :very different from the usual or traditional :extreme
b :favoring extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions
c :associated with political views, practices, and policies of extreme change

[ARtraveler]

My Spyder doesn't have a tailgate; where do you get one of those?

You just have to improvise. How about an add on platform like Bob has on his new toy? Add the fence and you can help prevent anyone who drinks to much from falling off.

[Bob Denman]

Tailgating?
What's that?

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[UtahPete]

Tailgating? What's that?

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It's still in the same spot where you left it the day you brought it home? You know, you can just go camping in it - doesn't have to have a Spyder in the back.

[Bob Denman]

It's the picture that I have: but not the experiences...

[cmbspyderrss]

So...

How many of you have driven your Spyder to a football game and had a tailgate party when you were there?

What you did after that...is your (fill in the blank) given right, or your (fill in the blank) priviledge.

New to the Spyder but still waiting for one of those giant trailer smoker things shaped like a Dan Wesson wheel gun to show up on the forum somewhere. Have to be an RT to carry all the Beer, BBQ sauce, plates, napkins and such though. Never see that on an RS.

Edit: I just realized the tailgate topic made this thread into 6 total topics now form the OP.