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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    By the way, thank you for your service. Particularly during the '60s and '70s it was pretty thankless. I didn't hear 'welcome home' until 5 years ago at an event honoring Vietnam Veterans'. We walked around the ballroom, where active duty and national guard members shook our hands, saluted and said 'welcome home'. It brought me to tears and I'm tearing up just thinking about it.
    To all Serviceman, Servicewomen and their families. Thank you from myself, my family to you and yours. While i was the only male in my family to unfortunately not serve, i with all deepest thanks and admiration appreciate your service that allow me to be able to even write this.

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    Hmmmmmm, by that definition I'm Military Affiliated three ways. Never thought of it that way before. I worked in the Navy nuclear propulsion program right after college for 6 years, worked for the Army in ammunition production oversight for 7 years, and have a brother who was a Navy aircraft carrier jet jockey, served 21 years and retired as Commander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Paw View Post
    BUT protesting was not what he was being paid to do. He was a representative of the Team and the League and IMHO he was not doing his job and he was fired for it, also IMO the coach and the owner who allowed this behavior should have been disciplined/fined by the league also. I as a fan pay for entertainment and if I don't get what I paid for I'm free to go elsewhere, just like going to a different dealer if I don't like the service. If you want to protest do it on your own time and on your own dime. Don't waste my time and money.
    I fought for this country when it wasn't popular to do so and I just think there was a better way he could have done this.
    Every Redneck I know has said this at one time "it seemed like a good idea at the time"
    while kapernick is not working where is he protesting or donating his time?
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    He's busy in Court: suing the NFL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    He's busy in Court: suing the NFL...
    if he is not doing so 10 hours a day then i guess he is just full of s**t about the 'cause'.

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    Actually, Kapernick is fulfilling his promise. http://www.motherjones.com/crime-jus...epernick-does/
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoilerAnimal View Post
    Actually, Kapernick is fulfilling his promise. http://www.motherjones.com/crime-jus...epernick-does/
    i would like to know is the money from the foundation his or those who donated? for me $100 would be $500,000 on his level. i am
    not knocking that he is trying to help but i want to know does he cry loud or work to stop the problems he preaches about?
    when my aunt nancy started the susie komen breast cancer thing she and her parients put millions $$ into it and spent all
    their time with it for many years. what kind of investment is kaepernick looking to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN View Post
    if he is not doing so 10 hours a day then i guess he is just full of s**t about the 'cause'.
    For starters he works out every day to be prepared if he gets called up. He's donated plenty of money and time to various charities as well.

    He's probably donated and done more than everyone on this thread combined.....

    The (manufactured) outrage over this kneeling is ridiculous and wasn't an issue until the orange idiot wouldn't shut his mouth about it. One would think he'd have better things to concentrate on than a stupid football game and what players are doing or not doing. We have SERIOUS issues our country is facing, yet this is a big issue that is taking up the headlines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    He's busy in Court: suing the NFL...
    He's not in court.. he has attorneys for that. I'm glad he's suing them. If they have systematically blocked him from employment due to his freedom of speech on this issue, then they should be sued.

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    this is what i read in a rule book for nfl:
    Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.

    he never got approval to do so and i think it might be considered controversial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    This should be of interest to many as well.. especially those who hate socialism....
    I like my socialized medicine aka VA Healthcare.

    Socialism is an economic system that gets confused with communism, which is a political system.

    The antithesis of Socialism is Capitalism, not Democracy.
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    Thanks Firefly, I absolutely love Bill Maher's commentaries.

    As far as socialism is concerned, research "Nordic Model".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN View Post
    this is what i read in a rule book for nfl:
    Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.

    he never got approval to do so and i think it might be considered controversial.

    If it's that important, sue him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    He's not in court.. he has attorneys for that. I'm glad he's suing them. If they have systematically blocked him from employment due to his freedom of speech on this issue, then they should be sued.
    If they have blocked him from employment due to his freedom of speech, then they should be sued. But is he just not employable because of the controversy. I also think he was in violation of his terms of employment maybe should have only been disciplined, the first time but he continued to violate the terms, so you're fired. I've seen it happen in the corporate world and even as a manager was forced to fire someone for that reason. Do you think if he promises not to do it anymore he might find a job with another team? If he won't then maybe it's his own fault he doesn't have a job. It all makes by brain hurt and I don't have enough facts to figure it out anyway.
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    There is a good argument for K not being employed because he has lost his luster as an accomplished QB. The first year--he "led" his team to the Super Bowl. Subsequent--not so much. Words that he is not a team player, does not like the plays etc. have come into focus. Going to be hard to prove the intent of the lawsuit--IMO.

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    Why should the owner of ANY business have to hire somebody who has proven to be disruptive in the work environment?
    It's not about his "Freedom of Speech".
    That doesn't exist in the workplace...
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    And now, to get this thread back onto its original theme; Watch this if you think #TakeAKnee protests are 'disrespecting the flag'

    https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1719676148063868/



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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    And now, to get this thread back onto its original theme; Watch this if you think #TakeAKnee protests are 'disrespecting the flag'
    Yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    Yes!
    Well, that's it then.
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    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akspyderman View Post
    Enjoy.
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    Pass the crow sandwich I guess. Hold the ketchup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    And you had the temerity to suggest this argument couldn't be won ...! Au contraire, mon ami, Bob just won it with a big ol' YES!
    Do you mean that we could have stopped this foolishness back on Page One?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    Do you mean that we could have stopped this foolishness back on Page One?
    Yeah, we were just waiting for you to step up and tell us the unmitigated truth. But, no, you've just gotta go pussy-footin' around the subject for a week or more. Pure torture....
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