Want A Fast Motorcycle? Better Go Electric! LIGHTNING LS-218

[BajaRon]

Fastest Production Bike in the World!

http://lightningmotorcycle.com/

Transmission - (NONE Direct Drive - 1 Speed)
Top Speed - 218 mph
HP - 200
Torque - 168 ft. lbs. (Same Torque From Zero RPM to 10,500 RPM)
Range - Up to 180 miles (not at 218 mph I'll wager!)
Weight - 495 lbs.
Fuel - Lithium Battery

[vided]

Interesting bike

[Chupaca]

You should check out the Isle of Mann electric bikes ....they are awesome but sound less than the wind with your helmet on....

[Bob Denman]

How much??

They STILL aren't a very good touring bike. The time necessary for recharging just makes them useful for very short hops...

But they sure are pretty!

[RinconRyder]

100 mile range at highway speed (base battery pack) make it impractical for weekend touring or even track day. You might enjoy drag racing it but then you would be in your own solitary class so what's the point? Commuting perhaps?

Electrics still have a long way to go to be competitive with dino fuel bikes in everyday use.

[BajaRon]

How much??

They STILL aren't a very good touring bike. The time necessary for recharging just makes them useful for very short hops...

But they sure are pretty!

If you want to tour at 218 mph it is your only choice! But you'll have to look quick because the scenery is going by FAST!

[Bob Denman]

At the speeds that I travel: I'm pretty sure that I could stretch that range to it's maximum limit.
But it just isn't far enough!
This kind of reminds me of when "Top Gear" (The British version) took a Mercedes-McLaren on a dash across Europe: Jeremy found out that it could drain the tank in just 17 minutes at top speed...

[bscrive]

There was an electric powered F3 at the Innovation Centre during the Homecoming. The BRP guy said that it had a range of @100 miles and takes about 8hrs to recharge. In the next few years he said they should be able to get the range to 300 miles with a 2 hour charge. The performance numbers are the same as the current F3.

[Bob Denman]

Question(s): Is the electrical grid up to the task of re-charging all of the proposed new vehicles?
And if we're burning coal to produce the power: how are we helping the environment?

[bscrive]

Question(s): Is the electrical grid up to the task of re-charging all of the proposed new vehicles?
And if we're burning coal to produce the power: how are we helping the environment?

Bob, it doesn't help the environment, but it makes people feel good who are oblivious to the facts.

[Bob Denman]

I am actually starting to like the idea of hydrogen fuel-cell technology.

[retread]

Question(s): Is the electrical grid up to the task of re-charging all of the proposed new vehicles?
And if we're burning coal to produce the power: how are we helping the environment?

If it's done right, the end result is land fill. I'd be more worried about the batteries, and the disposal of them.

john

[RinconRyder]

Question(s): Is the electrical grid up to the task of re-charging all of the proposed new vehicles? And if we're burning coal to produce the power: how are we helping the environment?

I am guessing the first answer is yes. Vehicles are primarily charged overnight when demand is low. It would provide the electric generators to even out their production somewhat as well as provide an additional means of revenue. My electric producer provides a special rate for owners of electric vehicles and one of the restrictions is that vehicles can only be recharged during overnight hours.

I am also guessing the second answer is probably. Coal into electricity is becoming more rare as production has shifted to solar, wind and natural gas. How long this will last is anyone's guess but I am betting that we have seen the last of coal as a growing energy source for electric generation.

[Rogue Hawk]

They won't take over until the price comes down and the rage goes up.

[Bob Denman]

I am guessing the first answer is yes. Vehicles are primarily charged overnight when demand is low. It would provide the electric generators to even out their production somewhat as well as provide an additional means of revenue. My electric producer provides a special rate for owners of electric vehicles and one of the restrictions is that vehicles can only be recharged during overnight hours.

I am also guessing the second answer is probably. Coal into electricity is becoming more rare as production has shifted to solar, wind and natural gas. How long this will last is anyone's guess but I am betting that we have seen the last of coal as a growing energy source for electric generation.

Here's some statistics for you...

"About 65% of utility-scale electricity generation in the United States was produced from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), about 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 15% was from renewable energy sources in 2016: Natural gas —34% Coal —30% Nuclear—20%"

These numbers are courtesy of a Google search.

[RinconRyder]

Here's some statistics for you...

"About 65% of utility-scale electricity generation in the United States was produced from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), about 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 15% was from renewable energy sources in 2016: Natural gas —34% Coal —30% Nuclear—20%"

These numbers are courtesy of a Google search.

And some statistics for you also courtesy of Google:

"Coal power in the United States accounted for 39% of the country's electricity production at utility-scale facilities in 2014, 33% in 2015, and 30.4% in 2016"

What I stated was the declining percentage of power produced by coal fired plants over the past few years. The industry agrees with those numbers and further says coal will continue to be less and less of a resource for producing power in the future.

[Motorcycledave]

Only my opinion.......At this point in time...
$38+ K for a bike that will go 200 miles then need charging for several hours
or a $20K Bike that will go 350 miles and can be re-fueled in minutes and go again
at this point it is a NO Brainer.. There are a bunch of elect. bikes out there
the ZERO comes to mind, very fast but the limited millage is a big no for me at this time
I have ridden the ZERO and it is a fun machine until the batteries start to run out then
it slows down and down and down and stop.

Fastest Production Bike in the World!

http://lightningmotorcycle.com/

Transmission - (NONE Direct Drive - 1 Speed)
Top Speed - 218 mph
HP - 200
Torque - 168 ft. lbs. (Same Torque From Zero RPM to 10,500 RPM)
Range - Up to 180 miles (not at 218 mph I'll wager!)
Weight - 495 lbs.
Fuel - Lithium Battery

[JerryB]

Hi Bob,

Re: Here's some statistics for you...

IMO you, and many others here, are living in today's world only.

Here is some future for you: Volvo Is First Automaker to Offer Electric or Hybrid Only

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/auto...engine-n779791

The world is changing. The Dodo bird failed to change with it.

Jerry Baumchen

[BajaRon]

And some statistics for you also courtesy of Google:

"Coal power in the United States accounted for 39% of the country's electricity production at utility-scale facilities in 2014, 33% in 2015, and 30.4% in 2016"

What I stated was the declining percentage of power produced by coal fired plants over the past few years. The industry agrees with those numbers and further says coal will continue to be less and less of a resource for producing power in the future.

The death of coal is government induced. Not market induced. Coal is still one of the least expensive and most efficient ways to produce electricity.

[RinconRyder]

The death of coal is government induced. Not market induced. Coal is still one of the least expensive and most efficient ways to produce electricity.

Doesn't really matter the cause, does it? The result is still the same.

[BajaRon]

Doesn't really matter the cause, does it? The result is still the same.

It was the EPA under the last administration that killed Coal. The administration has changed and so has the leadership for the EPA. For example. The Keystone pipeline was pretty much dead with the last administration. Now it's being built. The same thing could easily happen with coal. As a matter of fact. Some coal companies are optimistic about re-starting operations that have been shut down for the last few years.

On the other hand. If the death of coal were market driven. You could pretty much mark them off unless the government decided to subsidize the industry.

So yes, I do think it matters quite a bit. Coal may be coming back.

[Bob Denman]

Hi Bob,

Re: Here's some statistics for you...

IMO you, and many others here, are living in today's world only.

Here is some future for you: Volvo Is First Automaker to Offer Electric or Hybrid Only

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/auto...engine-n779791

The world is changing. The Dodo bird failed to change with it.

Jerry Baumchen

It's going to be interesting to see how this affects their Worldwide sales...
Time will tell the tale...
As far as living in "Today's World": it's the only one that I've got!


How about you??

[RinconRyder]

So yes, I do think it matters quite a bit. Coal may be coming back.

Just recently I have read several articles about how dissatisfied the coal industry is with Trump's policies and promises to deliver. Apparently it was his well known lip service to get votes and nothing more.

At any rate, once the electric generating industry shuts down a coal fueled plant or converts it to natural gas they are not likely to spend the money to re-convert it to coal (and that is assuming they can even get the necessary permits from their regulatory agencies).

Coal will still be used for a variety of manufacturing purposes but not for electric generation. Perhaps the Chinese can use it as they don't seem to care how much they pollute their air.

[Bob Denman]

Do you have any sources for those articles?

[RinconRyder]

Do you have any sources for those articles?

I don't keep track of the URL's but quite a bit of information came from articles concerning the shutdown of the Navajo Generating Station near Page, AZ. Environmentalists have been trying to shut that plant for several decades due to the smoke and soot it shoots into the nearby Grand Canyon. But because it is a source of employment for an otherwise isolated Indian tribe it continues in operation.

I believe the last one I referenced was put out by one of the petroleum industries newsletters. The one about dissatisfaction with Trump came from the evening news but I don't recall which network it was on.