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    Default Why not on of these 3 cyl engines

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    A few of these engine come from low budget cars--check out the HP & torque on the 1000 cc engines
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    Automotive designs aren't generally built with the compact size and lighter weight parameters of motorcycle engines...

    But they DO exhibit some interesting technology!
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    They have a little more power with a turbo.
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    But they need more power due to the larger mass that they've got to move around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    But they need more power due to the larger mass that they've got to move around.

    Thus with a lower mass the vehicle would be faster without vibration, better aerodynamic, resulting in better performance & improved gas mileage. I don't know the price of these engines but a few of the cars price are inline with the Spider's cost. thus it could be done :-)
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    like the Chevy Cobalt powerplant in the Slingshot
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    There is some cool techno stuff in those car engines, but like Bob said, the problem with transplanting them into a Spyder or alike vehicle is the physical size and weight of the power plant, transmission and drive train. The ACE engine and transmission are one integrated unit and are very compact and light weight. If the ACE engine received direct injection and/or a turbo charger you'd see it do some amazing things. However, it would be done at a cost that would put it out of reach of most Spyder riders/buyers. But, I do think that direct injection could be on the horizon for almost all road going internal combustion engines due to the increased smog and MPG standards being demanded by the enviro movement.
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    It would be a nice fit if the motor from a Triumph Rocket would fit in the Spyder. Those not familiar with the Triumph Rocket, the engine is a inline 3 cylinder 2294 cc which produces 140 HP.

    I do miss my 2006 Rocket
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    The problem with car engines"
    You might end up riding something like this!

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    Default Have to wonder....🤔

    What about the transmission and output...?? Those are all shaft drive..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex-Rocket View Post
    It would be a nice fit if the motor from a Triumph Rocket would fit in the Spyder. Those not familiar with the Triumph Rocket, the engine is a inline 3 cylinder 2294 cc which produces 140 HP.

    I do miss my 2006 Rocket
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    That is a nice Rocket


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    What about the transmission and output...?? Those are all shaft drive..
    Hayabusa engine with transmission weigh slightly less than 200 lbs--chain drive--180 hp--no vibration. I can start moving from a dead stop in 6th gear(because I forget to downshift) slipping the clutch to 1200 rpm , pin the throttle wide open--no burbs-backfires--just a steady pull...
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    Biggest problem with power mods is getting all the extra power efficiently and reliably to the road. Tweek engine power and then worry about failing transmission. Build up transmission and worry about belt failure. Get stronger belt or go to shaft drive and worry about drive wheel/bearing failure and tire shredding........ Think I'll just stick with what I have

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    How fast do you need to go???? The speed limits won't change even if you were rocket propelled!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by canamjhb View Post
    Biggest problem with power mods is getting all the extra power efficiently and reliably to the road. Tweek engine power and then worry about failing transmission. Build up transmission and worry about belt failure. Get stronger belt or go to shaft drive and worry about drive wheel/bearing failure and tire shredding........ Think I'll just stick with what I have
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    How fast do you need to go???? The speed limits won't change even if you were rocket propelled!!!

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    It's just in our nature to want to see how far we can push envelope..
    If these bikes came with 1,000 horsepower: somebody would STILL put a pipe on it, just to see if there wasn't some more horsepower hiding in there somewhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    I've competed in the "snowmobile horsepower races", and 179%
    And there is always somebody just around the corner; who has already built something faster!



    It's just in our nature to want to see how far we can push envelope..
    If these bikes came with 1,000 horsepower: somebody would STILL put a pipe on it, just to see if there wasn't some more horsepower hiding in there somewhere!
    All my life I've always wanted what ever I had to have just a little more HP. Now as my age has increased I find 344 RWHP on a 530 LB bike to be a touch more than I can handle with confidence but the thought of selling my spiritual enlightenment machine has not happened. I think about it--but I have a very short attention span. Bob--I had a SkiDoo in Wisc in the 70's when vehicle ID numbers weren't required. The police would chase us down snow covered gravel roads--we would pull 100 yards into the snow covered field & motion for them to come over---Climbing gravel pit walls was always a challenge on the way home from closing time at the pubs :-) & somehow we're still alive--living is all about pushing the limits edge.
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    They do say that:
    "If you're not living on the edge: you're taking up too much space!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrice View Post
    Hayabusa engine with transmission weigh slightly less than 200 lbs--chain drive--180 hp--no vibration. I can start moving from a dead stop in 6th gear(because I forget to downshift) slipping the clutch to 1200 rpm , pin the throttle wide open--no burbs-backfires--just a steady pull...
    A salesman at a DE dealer said he had done 110 mph in first gear on a Hayabusa. Don't know if that's possible with the red line, but that was his claim.

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    According to some of the folks in here, he's off by at least 15 mph:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    According to some of the folks in here, he's off by at least 15 mph:

    http://www.gixxer.com/forums/14-gsx-...irst-gear.html
    i guess you haven't found the end of the Internet have you?

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    I passed it about twenty minutes ago!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterP View Post
    A salesman at a DE dealer said he had done 110 mph in first gear on a Hayabusa. Don't know if that's possible with the red line, but that was his claim.
    It's normally 80-90 But Change the Front sprocket to 19 or 20 tooth & reduce the rear sprocket to a 37 tooth--I haven't done it but its possible. Now lets discuss speedo accuracy. land speed racing in the group I was with required a 125 mph pass +/- then 150 mph pass +/-, then 175 mph pass, then a 200 pass. I have seen several guys fail to certify the 175 MPH pass because their speed was reading 175 Mph but the 132' timing clock showed low 160 mph. thus the 110 speedo has lots of variables. Almost all bike show a faster speedo mph than actual timed speed mph.

    Thus with modified sprockets--its possible, or via bike speedo it would be inaccurate. My trans has a lower 1st gear & an overdrive in 5th & 6th gear via Robinson Industries--cost slightly over $2000. It's been a while since I had my 1st stock Hayabusa but I kinda remember seeing approx 85-90 mph speedo.in 1st gear. All the BS stops at the official timed track. Plus most of the track guys have reflashed ECU's. Stock RPM is 10,800 & the tach reads approx 400 rpm higher than actual. Mine is reflashed to 11,200 but the dyno doesn't show any major benefit in rwhp/torq with my turbo engine setup above 10,800. In the land of advanced riding skills--I fall toward the lower end.
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    Most bikes have errors in the speedo. Years ago I installed a "Speedo-Healer" on my old Goldwing. That allowed me to calibrate the error out of the speedo (using GPS on several runs for accuracy). As a group rider leader I often encountered riders who thought I was too fast and going to get us tickets. Never happened..... Checking the Spyder speedo against the GPS speed, I find there is only a couple MPH difference. Not enough to mess with.

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    Most bikes have errors in the speedo. Years ago I installed a "Speedo-Healer" on my old Goldwing. That allowed me to calibrate the error out of the speedo (using GPS on several runs for accuracy). As a group rider leader I often encountered riders who thought I was too fast and going to get us tickets. Never happened..... Checking the Spyder speedo against the GPS speed, I find there is only a couple MPH difference. Not enough to mess with.

    BTW; I could easily see 80 MPH in second gear on my 1800 Goldwing

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    Quote Originally Posted by canamjhb View Post
    Most bikes have errors in the speedo. Years ago I installed a "Speedo-Healer" on my old Goldwing. That allowed me to calibrate the error out of the speedo (using GPS on several runs for accuracy). As a group rider leader I often encountered riders who thought I was too fast and going to get us tickets. Never happened..... Checking the Spyder speedo against the GPS speed, I find there is only a couple MPH difference. Not enough to mess with.
    The speedo % of error is not linear. I had a 10" laptop strapped to my fuel tank with a gps addition. The faster I went--the greater % of error. Tires with 50% wear will show a big difference. My weirdest was 73 mph--& I retested several times--I had an additional 3 mph error speedo jump at 73 mph---(This was on a 2006 Hayabusa) other bikes may be different--but my story of riders going thru the timing traps showing 175 mph speedo which was actually low end 160 mph is a true story.
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