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    So after finally straightening out a trans oil filter issue on our new 2016 leftover SE6 F3L, we are now able to ride it a bit. Aside from the immense difference from a motorcycle, my biggest issue is the constant pulling to the right. It honestly detracts from the enjoyment by about 50%. Ive posted and complained already and most people are saying get a ROLO laser done. The nearest one is about three hours away and if this is just the way these Spyders react to road crowning then i dont want to waste a day and the money just to have it still pull to the right on crowned roads. Ive tried swapping out the right wheel from a spare set i have and its basically the same. On perfectly flat roads its hardly there. But almost all roads here are crowned for rain runoff. I find it hard to believe that this is the way it should handle when on crowned roads.
    Is this just the way they are? None of my other vehicles do this. Im just trying to decide if im chasing my tail and this is just the way they are or if i should pursue it a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So after finally straightening out a trans oil filter issue on our new 2016 leftover SE6 F3L, we are now able to ride it a bit. Aside from the immense difference from a motorcycle, my biggest issue is the constant pulling to the right. It honestly detracts from the enjoyment by about 50%. Ive posted and complained already and most people are saying get a ROLO laser done. The nearest one is about three hours away and if this is just the way these Spyders react to road crowning then i dont want to waste a day and the money just to have it still pull to the right on crowned roads. Ive tried swapping out the right wheel from a spare set i have and its basically the same. On perfectly flat roads its hardly there. But almost all roads here are crowned for rain runoff. I find it hard to believe that this is the way it should handle when on crowned roads.
    Is this just the way they are? None of my other vehicles do this. Im just trying to decide if im chasing my tail and this is just the way they are or if i should pursue it a bit.
    If you think it's the crown in the road just find an empty stretch of road & drive on the other side. So long as no one is around you should find out if it's the crown for sure. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLaoyster View Post
    If you think it's the crown in the road just find an empty stretch of road & drive on the other side. So long as no one is around you should find out if it's the crown for sure. Good luck.
    Did that. Pretty sure its the crowning causing it. Should've clarified my question. Im wondering if this is the way Spyders react to crowning, or if something can be adjusted. Just doesnt seem like it would be designed this way.

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    I haven't found a road yet that makes my RT-S pull one way or the other. In Illinois, we have roads with literal ruts from heavy semis and it has no real effect on the handling of it. I would say you have a real problem and a GOOD alignment may well be in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoilerAnimal View Post
    I haven't found a road yet that makes my RT-S pull one way or the other. In Illinois, we have roads with literal ruts from heavy semis and it has no real effect on the handling of it. I would say you have a real problem and a GOOD alignment may well be in order.
    Interesting. Gives me hope that maybe it can be improved. So from everything ive read here i shouldnt bother with a dealer laser alignment? If true thats painful lol. I have a dealer about half an hour away who does them. The nearest ROLO is over three hours out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    Interesting. Gives me hope that maybe it can be improved. So from everything ive read here i shouldnt bother with a dealer laser alignment? If true thats painful lol. I have a dealer about half an hour away who does them. The nearest ROLO is over three hours out

    I've never tried riding "no hands", might be a self preservation thing. I run about 17 PSI in my fronts and about 28 in the rear. Make certain that your front tires are as equal as can be regarding pressure. Use a relaxed grip and don't try to react to every little twitch or bump. Your Spyder will roll with the uneven surfaces of the road, try to do the same with it. The only time that I have had to put much effort into going straight is when I'm riding on a road where they have ground the asphalt in preparation for repaving and not too much then. I've only ridden a little over 6000 miles and hadn't ridden two wheels for close to forty years other than the cycle safety course that I took to get my license, so I didn't have much in the way of two wheel habits to unlearn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoilerAnimal View Post
    I haven't found a road yet that makes my RT-S pull one way or the other. In Illinois, we have roads with literal ruts from heavy semis and it has no real effect on the handling of it. I would say you have a real problem and a GOOD alignment may well be in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    Did that. Pretty sure its the crowning causing it. Should've clarified my question. Im wondering if this is the way Spyders react to crowning, or if something can be adjusted. Just doesnt seem like it would be designed this way.
    I've noticed that it depends on the road. Some are worse than others but never to the point that I have to worry about going off the road. I got my spyder new in Sept and haven't had it aligned yet. It tracks well & I still have the little nubs on the tires from new. I have just over 1k miles so I guess my alignment is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLaoyster View Post
    I've noticed that it depends on the road. Some are worse than others but never to the point that I have to worry about going off the road. I got my spyder new in Sept and haven't had it aligned yet. It tracks well & I still have the little nubs on the tires from new. I have just over 1k miles so I guess my alignment is good.
    So on the roads that do affect yours, if you let go of the grips it wouldnt drift completely off the road? Ours def would just drift right off the road. But on a completely flat road it goes straight. Hardly any completely flat roads though.

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    Spydercomfort.com is the company that originated the Rolo system. In Palmer, MA this activity does Spyder Rolo laser alignments:
    http://www.spydercomfort.com/dealermass.htm. Next to them Netzley Tire in Accord, NY looks like the next closest Rolo site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So on the roads that do affect yours, if you let go of the grips it wouldnt drift completely off the road? Ours def would just drift right off the road. But on a completely flat road it goes straight. Hardly any completely flat roads though.
    I don't know of any vehicle that wouldn't drift off a crowned road when letting go of the steering. But I have let go of the handlebars on a good flat road & it did track very well. Straight flat roads are hard to come by here in PA too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So on the roads that do affect yours, if you let go of the grips it wouldnt drift completely off the road? Ours def would just drift right off the road. But on a completely flat road it goes straight. Hardly any completely flat roads though.
    The OEM Kenda tires might be bad. After 14k miles the constant pulling to the right problem I had went away after I switched to Continentals.

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    Drifting yes; pulling no.
    It's an alignment issue, tires not properly balanced, air pressure in the tow tires off, or a combo of the three.

    Balance, if you have 6 or less weights on each tires, I would guess it's ok.
    If your tires are close to being equal or after making them close it still PULLS; then ALIGNMENT require.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So after finally straightening out a trans oil filter issue on our new 2016 leftover SE6 F3L, we are now able to ride it a bit. Aside from the immense difference from a motorcycle, my biggest issue is the constant pulling to the right. It honestly detracts from the enjoyment by about 50%. Ive posted and complained already and most people are saying get a ROLO laser done. The nearest one is about three hours away and if this is just the way these Spyders react to road crowning then i dont want to waste a day and the money just to have it still pull to the right on crowned roads. Ive tried swapping out the right wheel from a spare set i have and its basically the same. On perfectly flat roads its hardly there. But almost all roads here are crowned for rain runoff. I find it hard to believe that this is the way it should handle when on crowned roads.
    Is this just the way they are? None of my other vehicles do this. Im just trying to decide if im chasing my tail and this is just the way they are or if i should pursue it a bit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinLV View Post
    Drifting yes; pulling no.
    It's an alignment issue, tires not properly balanced, air pressure in the tow tires off, or a combo of the three.

    Balance, if you have 6 or less weights on each tires, I would guess it's ok.
    If your tires are close to being equal or after making them close it still PULLS; then ALIGNMENT require.

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    Hmm, the tow tire pressure. Thats the rear im assuming, come to think of it i havent checked that pressure yet. Any idea how that can affect things? Too Low or high...either way.
    Should be 28 from what ive seen. Tomorrow am im going to check the rear pressure. Ive been so concentrated on fronts. Id imagine if the rear was too soft it would squat, making the front even lighter and less stable.
    Lol i may run out there now, im super curious.
    EDIT Went out and checked lol. Rear had 24. Seemed super soft. I could push on it and make it squish in. Aired it up to 30 and if it wasnt raining id go for a spin. Tomorrow ill ride it and see if it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    Hmm, the tow tire pressure. Thats the rear im assuming, come to think of it i havent checked that pressure yet. Any idea how that can affect things? Too Low or high...either way.
    Should be 28 from what ive seen. Tomorrow am im going to check the rear pressure. Ive been so concentrated on fronts. Id imagine if the rear was too soft it would squat, making the front even lighter and less stable.
    Lol i may run out there now, im super curious.
    EDIT Went out and checked lol. Rear had 24. Seemed super soft. I could push on it and make it squish in. Aired it up to 30 and if it wasnt raining id go for a spin. Tomorrow ill ride it and see if it helps.
    Doesn't make sense to me why the dealers would put less pressure than spec in the tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveLaoyster View Post
    Doesn't make sense to me why the dealers would put less pressure than spec in the tires.
    Fronts were at exactly 15 when i picked it up too. Aired those up to 20 which helped a bit. It was actually a lot worse when they were at 15. Pulled harder than now lol.

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    I've read all your posts about all your issues and I'm sorry but , ...... I'm starting to think .......you may be the issue . ............. I think you should find another KNOWLEDGABLE Spyder owner who has no dog in the fight and let them drive yours and give you an Honest evaluation of your issues.................. not dissing you, just trying to get to the bottom quickly ...................... Mike

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    I know exactly what you are talking about. I have 2 Spyder's. My left arm is paralyzed so the pull is extra annoying to me. My 2011RSS has 63k miles on it. It was aligned by Outlaw in Edgewater a few years ago. It has Wilbur shocks all the way around and I run the stock tires but around 30-32 in the front and 28 in the rear. The low pressures are designed to slow the steering quickness down. The flex of the tire's sidewall eats up some of the energy when you steer and makes the bike easier to ride for some. As you get more seat time you will be more comfortable with higher pressures. I tell new riders just go up to 20lbs and ride it then add 5 lbs at a time until you are comfortable. It will be real twitchy if you get higher than you are comfortable with.

    I had a 2008 and it had about 75k on it so I like the higher pressures an am comfortable with the more responsive steering. I just bought a 2016 F3T in March. I forgot how different a stock bike handles. My 2011 I can pretty much ride with one finger. It doesn't drift or follow the road it just goes where you point it until you point it somewhere else.

    The F3T on the other hand requires constant input to keep it going straight. It has a pretty consistent fade to the right. I added pressure to the front tires and it has gotten much better but it's still noticeable. My good arm is like jello after an hour. I find it's easier to set the cruise and grab the other side of the bars to pull on them instead of the constant push required with my right arm. I find myself riding my old bike instead of the F3T. I rode the RSS a complete tank of fuel with no stops. Filled it up and continued on. My arm was in heaven!

    I haven't decided what my next move is. I know I will eventually replace the stock shocks but I think I could live with the handling of the new bike if I wasn't constantly steering it. I just think it makes more sense to align it with the new shocks on it so I am living with it for now. The shocks are my next dielema. I have Wilburs on my 2011 and I love them. I own an aftermarket motorcycle shop. We mostly work on Harley's but I have customers that have both Spyder's and Harley's and I have put Elka shocks on most of their Spyder's. I've Only put the stage 1 Or stage 2 Elkas on so not sure if it's a fair comparison to the Wilbur's. Any how..... I am certain the alignment will fix most of my woes.
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    This is an interesting Thread I might be able to add a little experience to. I just traded in my 2012 RT Limited with 55,400 miles on the clock, for a new, left over RT Limited SE 6. I had 47,000 miles worth of shaking, wandering , to both right or left, with my 2012, and never had it Laser alligned, because my Dealer said the Factory method of allignment was acceptable, and they would not invest in the ROLO Laser System. After wearing out my first 2 sets of front Kendas on the inside at 12-13,000 miles each, I started using Bridgstone car tires, and increased the pressure from 15 lbs. to 25 lbs. which made a world of difference in handling and on the corners, but they still were wearing on both insides . On tne rear tire, after only getting 8300 miles on the Kenda, I started using the Khumos that gave me 15,000 miles. I was on my third Khumo that had 8000 miles on it when I traded. Now, here is an important point. I finally caved in, and got my 2012 Laser Alligned by Star City Power Sports in Roanoke, Virginia, at 47,000 miles on the clock, and what a difference in handling! My front Bridgestone tires were already worn real badly on the insides, but started correcting immediatly, by wearing normal, but I kept getting DPS Limp Mode Nanny Alerts while the new toe in setting kept fighting the previous wear angle, but after a couple of thousand miles, the DPS check alert quit, and by the time I traded the 2012, it handled great, with no further vibration, shaking, wandering, all because I was too stubborn to get the ROLO Allignment, because my former Dealer didn't recomment doing it. Now, fast forward to my 2016. I had the Laser Alignment done on the 2016 and had the front wheels spun balanced before I took delivery. But I still had a bad vibration between 50-65 MPH. So, my Dealer took it back in, and rechecked the Toe in, and reset it, and it has improved, but the vibration and shaking is still there around 60 MPH. My Dealer test rode it, against another new Demo RT, and said they both feel the same. So, I believe the Dealer has done all they can, so I will live with it . The tires are all Kendra, and are most likely the problem. The fronts have 20 psi and the rear had 30 psi in them. When I replace them, I will replace with the same as I did on my 2012, i.e. Bridgestones in tne front and a Khumo on the rear. The 2016 tracks straight, and handles fairly well, but not as well as my 2012 did, after all of the adjustments and tweaking. Hope this might help those who are still resisting the Laser Alignment. It DID make a world of difference on my Spyders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So after finally straightening out a trans oil filter issue on our new 2016 leftover SE6 F3L, we are now able to ride it a bit. Aside from the immense difference from a motorcycle, my biggest issue is the constant pulling to the right. It honestly detracts from the enjoyment by about 50%. Ive posted and complained already and most people are saying get a ROLO laser done. The nearest one is about three hours away and if this is just the way these Spyders react to road crowning then i dont want to waste a day and the money just to have it still pull to the right on crowned roads. Ive tried swapping out the right wheel from a spare set i have and its basically the same. On perfectly flat roads its hardly there. But almost all roads here are crowned for rain runoff. I find it hard to believe that this is the way it should handle when on crowned roads.
    Is this just the way they are? None of my other vehicles do this. Im just trying to decide if im chasing my tail and this is just the way they are or if i should pursue it a bit.
    Go the RT thread and read where I posted things about my new 2016 RT Limited, which is only about 6 weeks old! I have mine Rolo laser aligned twice and it still pulls and the handlebars still shake! Some people at the dealerships want to think this is normal, It is not!! I had a 2013 RT Limited ahead of this 2016, and it was perfect, no pulling, no handlebar shaking etc. So read my thread before you spend all the money I have spend, and no we do not have a lemon law on motorcycles in Georgia! Good luck with your problem!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So after finally straightening out a trans oil filter issue on our new 2016 leftover SE6 F3L, we are now able to ride it a bit. Aside from the immense difference from a motorcycle, my biggest issue is the constant pulling to the right. It honestly detracts from the enjoyment by about 50%. Ive posted and complained already and most people are saying get a ROLO laser done. The nearest one is about three hours away and if this is just the way these Spyders react to road crowning then i dont want to waste a day and the money just to have it still pull to the right on crowned roads. Ive tried swapping out the right wheel from a spare set i have and its basically the same. On perfectly flat roads its hardly there. But almost all roads here are crowned for rain runoff. I find it hard to believe that this is the way it should handle when on crowned roads.
    Is this just the way they are? None of my other vehicles do this. Im just trying to decide if im chasing my tail and this is just the way they are or if i should pursue it a bit.


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    Here's my story. I had a new 2013 RT. Right outta the box, I had steering issues. Toe out was real bad. I was all over the road. A laser alignment cured it. Upgraded to a 2014 RT and found a drift to the right issue. The dealer tried all sorts of stuff. Lazer alignment, swap wheels, I even tried a coupla extra lbs. in the right tire, you name it, all no good.
    I took the machine to the guy who did the 2013 RT. Turns out the BUDS system detected the spyder's steering sensor indicated when going straight the sensor said I was steering to the LEFT. The alignment was adjusted to the right. Don't know how he dealer missed that.
    Once discovered, problem corrected. The moral, research a good machanic. Even if you gotta ride to get there.
    I would suggest an alignment along with a BUDS check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke387 View Post
    So after finally straightening out a trans oil filter issue on our new 2016 leftover SE6 F3L, we are now able to ride it a bit. Aside from the immense difference from a motorcycle, my biggest issue is the constant pulling to the right. It honestly detracts from the enjoyment by about 50%. Ive posted and complained already and most people are saying get a ROLO laser done. The nearest one is about three hours away and if this is just the way these Spyders react to road crowning then i dont want to waste a day and the money just to have it still pull to the right on crowned roads. Ive tried swapping out the right wheel from a spare set i have and its basically the same. On perfectly flat roads its hardly there. But almost all roads here are crowned for rain runoff. I find it hard to believe that this is the way it should handle when on crowned roads.
    Is this just the way they are? None of my other vehicles do this. Im just trying to decide if im chasing my tail and this is just the way they are or if i should pursue it a bit.


    I've noticed this too. My Spyder is definitely affected by roads that are banked or crown a little more than others it's because of the wide stance. I've had my spyder for a year now and ride every weekend, it didn't take long to used to it. I try to ride to the left more and it makes a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmatera View Post
    I've noticed this too. My Spyder is definitely affected by roads that are banked or crown a little more than others it's because of the wide stance. I've had my spyder for a year now and ride every weekend, it didn't take long to used to it. I try to ride to the left more and it makes a difference.
    This def does help, ive been experimenting with that. The advice here is correct for the most part, the more you ride it and get used to things, the better it feels. We're just hoping to dial it in a bit better and then just enjoy it. Corbin heated seat, taller windscreen, and cell phone mount are all in the works.

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    Hey Rudy, as it stands, no one can read your post above unless they click Thanks AND Like first, & most of the cynics here will not do that, cos they see it as being a low effort to try & improve your stats, even if it was just a miss-typed entry!!

    You could help restore your reputation & credibility by editing the post above & removing the 'Require thanks to see content' & 'Require Like to see content' triggers (they are in tick-boxes in Miscellaneous Options under the text field when you are in the edit post screen, you need to UN-check them both....)
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