998cc VS 1330cc engines

[Devious56]

I got the numbers from BRP spec sheets.
I don't see where it says the redline is 7,250.


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Yes, that was one of my assumptions, when I re-read it, I realize it could e confusing.

David VonStein

[widowmaker2011]

I got the numbers from BRP spec sheets.
I don't see where it says the redline is 7,250.


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Interestingly enough , do the power to weight ratio on the rs vs the f3 and its going to come down to handling/rider. the f3 does not have a measurable advantage otherwise ....... But doing 25,000 miles on a 2012 RTS and now test riding a new 1330 RTS , these are 2 vastly different motors.

[PistonBlown]

Just FYI.....

2012 RT:
Power: 100 hp @7500 RPM
Torque: 80 lb.-ft @ 5000 rpm
Weight: 930 lbs


2017 RT
Power: 115 hp @ 7250 RPM (15% increase)
Torque: 96 lb-ft. @ 5000 RPM (20% increase)
Weight: 1012 lbs (9% increase)
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2012 RS:
Power: 106 hp @8500 RPM
Torque: 77 lb.-ft @ 6250 RPM
Weight: 700 lbs

2017 F3S:

Power: 115 hp @7250 RPM (9% increase)
Torque: 96 lb.-ft @ 5000 RPM (25% increase)
Weight: 900 lbs (29% increase)

If we're comparing stats:-)

0-60 Times
GS/RS pre 2013, 990 series engine, 4.5 seconds (2009 model tested)
RS 2013 onwards, 991 series engine, 4.6 seconds (2013 model tested)
F3, exact model not specified, 4.8 seconds (2015 model tested)

So as we've noted before, as the years have gone by Spyders have got fatter and slower - I can relate to that:-)

[Buckeye Bleau]

If we're comparing stats:-)

0-60 Times
GS/RS pre 2013, 990 series engine, 4.5 seconds (2009 model tested)
RS 2013 onwards, 991 series engine, 4.6 seconds (2013 model tested)
F3, exact model not specified, 4.8 seconds (2015 model tested)

So as we've noted before, as the years have gone by Spyders have got fatter and slower - I can relate to that:-)

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Brilliant, I am not sure where the data is from or if it was controlled, but it does answer the original question. CONCLUSION:"We are splitting hairs here! "

But the closing comment may be may be the most accurate statement on this entire thread.

Joe

[Firefly]

If we're comparing stats:-)

0-60 Times
GS/RS pre 2013, 990 series engine, 4.5 seconds (2009 model tested)
RS 2013 onwards, 991 series engine, 4.6 seconds (2013 model tested)
F3, exact model not specified, 4.8 seconds (2015 model tested)

So as we've noted before, as the years have gone by Spyders have got fatter and slower - I can relate to that:-)

Was this on a track under a controlled environment? Multiple runs averaged? Same rider?
0-60 times will vary greatly..... especially from rider to rider. The takeoff is everything. I've run both my GS and RT on the strip at Spyderfest.. neither I would consider 'fast'. The GS was pretty quick though.. depending on the takeoff. With the F3 you're probably better off starting in 2nd gear.

Last time at the drags at Spyderfest there was a husband and wife.. both on F3's.. I believe semi-auto's who were beating everyone. But again.. the rider and the takeoff will make or break the whole race. The low center of gravity along with tamed-down nanny allows the F3 to take corners faster....if that's your thing.

[crazycanuck]

Was this on a track under a controlled environment? Multiple runs averaged? Same rider?
0-60 times will vary greatly..... especially from rider to rider. The takeoff is everything. I've run both my GS and RT on the strip at Spyderfest.. neither I would consider 'fast'. The GS was pretty quick though.. depending on the takeoff. With the F3 you're probably better off starting in 2nd gear.

Last time at the drags at Spyderfest there was a husband and wife.. both on F3's.. I believe semi-auto's who were beating everyone. But again.. the rider and the takeoff will make or break the whole race. The low center of gravity along with tamed-down nanny allows the F3 to take corners faster....if that's your thing.

and the variance in spyder ryders weight

[Bob Denman]

If you buy a vehicle based upon it's 0 to 60 times: that about like buying it because you like how their cruise control operates...
It's only one very small factor...

[Firefly]

and the variance in spyder ryders weight

I wasn't gonna go there... but yup......

[AY4B]

If you buy a vehicle based upon it's 0 to 60 times: that about like buying it because you like how their cruise control operates...
It's only one very small factor...

OR how you drive in relation to tire wear, MPG and Miles between fillups. I love my ST but sure would like to get more miles per tank of gas without trying to baby my beast.

[DannyStaggers]

I just traded a 13 for a 19. The 13 had the twin, and the 19 has the Ace. Even though the new 19's are stripped versions of the Limited, and I don't recommend ANYONE buy one if you expect all the bells and whistles, I really like the Ace motor. The problem with the twins is they scream all the time. The triple barely makes a whimper. At 62 mph the twin turns 5,200 rpms. The triple turn 3,200 at the same speed. To me, that's more like it. I've never had it past 4,000 because of the speeds involved.

The Ace is the engine. To bad the bike itself isn't.

[WisconsinDavid]

I'm new to spyders (1 season), so some day I may choose to get out the wallet and move up from my '10 RS. I've gotten used to being in tune with the unique powerband of the RS. It is so different than any other bike I've owned. The power is sufficient to keep me smiling... either 1 up or 2 up. I paid a touch under 8k for it and have put some nice upgrades on it. With the lower purchase cost, I can afford a lot of gasoline. I'm learning to do much of the maintenance on my own. So... time will tell as the miles go up what the experience with this new arachnid will be. This thread is interesting, to see the different perspectives on the different BRP products. Who knows what is ahead for BRP (or, perhaps, other newcomers to the 3 wheel marketplace)?

[ssmcclub]

I had a 2014 rss,now I have a 2019 f3s the f3 handles better,faster holds more gas and has less maintenance It just that much better,great bike

[Wahrsuul]

I test rode a 2010 RT SE5. If that was all that was available, I wouldn't be riding a Spyder now. The engine is unsitable for a touring ryde for me, I couldn't stand having to scream the engine all the time. I don't mind it on a performance bike, but I prefer my touring rig to be more sedate.

[ARtraveler]

I test rode a 2010 RT SE5. If that was all that was available, I wouldn't be riding a Spyder now. The engine is unsitable for a touring ryde for me, I couldn't stand having to scream the engine all the time. I don't mind it on a performance bike, but I prefer my touring rig to be more sedate.

2014 or higher will get you the 1330/3. That should be more to your liking. I have a 2011 RT SE5 and a 2014 RT-S. They are both great...but...I do like the 14 better. And for one of the same reasons as you mentioned.

[wingit3611]

This thread is 998 vs 1330. I hear different referanc to Engine size at times for the 998. Some say 990 (size? or series?), some say 998cc, now the 991 for 2013's. What is a series 991 engine?

[ GS/RS pre 2013, 990 series engine, RS 2013 onwards, 991 series engine, ]

[ARtraveler]

The early GS was 990. Then modified to 998. The only other engine is now the 1330. Not counting Rykers.

The twin 990/998 are now discontinued engines.

They will correct me if I am wrong.

[Wahrsuul]

2014 or higher will get you the 1330/3. That should be more to your liking. I have a 2011 RT SE5 and a 2014 RT-S. They are both great...but...I do like the 14 better. And for one of the same reasons as you mentioned.

Yep, that's why I'm on the '14 RTS. Nice engine, very smooth and good powerband.

[BillyChampagne]

Guys, I got my new Spyder RT Limited today with the 1330 engine everyone talks about! I have read many articles on here how powerful the 1330 is! I haven't had a chance to ride it much today, but my first impression is that my 2013 RT Limited with the 998cc engine would run all over the 1330 that everyone is bragging on! I see maybe less power! I am disappointed with the power I was expecting! Since it is new, maybe the power will show up in a few weeks or so! I guess I read this forum a lot and was expecting too much! You guys with your 998cc engine don't get over excited about trading them and paying these dealer prices expecting sometime great to pop out of the box! O'well, that my two sense after only a short ride or two on my first day of ownership!

Could you be in ECO mode by chance? Go out of ECO mode and feel the difference.
Regards,

[Wahrsuul]

Or maybe he was expecting the power to show up in the same places as the 998. The 1330 is mostly low-mid range power.

[Haikanko]

''I just traded a 13 for a 19. The 13 had the twin, and the 19 has the Ace. Even though the new 19's are stripped versions of the Limited, and I don't recommend ANYONE buy one if you expect all the bells and whistles, I really like the Ace motor. The problem with the twins is they scream all the time. The triple barely makes a whimper. At 62 mph the twin turns 5,200 rpms. The triple turn 3,200 at the same speed. To me, that's more like it. I've never had it past 4,000 because of the speeds involved.''



Strange - my V twin only spins at 4500 rpm for 62mph!!!!

[Peter Aawen]

Strange - my V twin only spins at 4500 rpm for 62mph!!!!

Just like us here in Aus & NZ, the Euro spec GS/RS/RSS Spyders got a different rear drive sprocket to that the similar Model US/Canadian Spyders scored, so it's probably not easy to compare revs vs road speed that way unless you KNOW that everyone concerned is running the same gearing.

[Haikanko]

I would have thought all the same gearing - but thanks for the heads up. Maybe they gear it down because Americans do weigh a lot more than Europeans

[Faultline]

Strange - my V twin only spins at 4500 rpm for 62mph!!!!

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My 2015 STS (US ) has the same gearing. 62 mph @4500 and 71 mph @ 5200.
Around 5k (70~80 mph) is where the Twin really smooths out and just glides down the highway.
With the HMF muffler the Spyder is just laying down a Ducati sound track in the background.
To each their own, I guess.
I've owned a Gold Wing and couldn't sell that appliance fast enough,

[dpetrick]

Faultline that is the RPM my 2009 RS runs also, in 5th gear. But I prefer running 60 mph in 4th gear because I get less vibration at 5000 RPM than 4500. 60 mph is 5 over the 55 mph limit, but is about what I need to run to keep up with traffic. Mine is quite smooth at 70 mph, in 5th, on the interstate.