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    Default There you have it...AZ

    Just saw this tid bit....they should not stop there...it should go for all types..!!

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    Damn, should of never left last year. Gotts love AZ...lol

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    Interesting concept. Depending on how it's written it could be a very useful tool. Or it could be an exercise in political grandstanding that won't survive a court challenge.
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    It depends on how the terms are defined...
    But it IS a start!
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    Default FURTHER

    lets carry this one step further....
    once convicted of a crime, and incarcerated, you will forfit personel belongings, IE; house, car, boat, 401K, savings, etc etc etc... to the State to pay for your court cost and incarceration....
    i asked my State Re & Senator to make this law, and they think i'm nutz... why would i be nutz to think that a person that commits a crime, shouldn't be held responsible for payment of that crime.... duh....
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    a protest that turns to violence defeats the purpose of the protest

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    Without getting political I will say... and

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPYD3R View Post
    lets carry this one step further....
    once convicted of a crime, and incarcerated, you will forfit personel belongings, IE; house, car, boat, 401K, savings, etc etc etc... to the State to pay for your court cost and incarceration....
    i asked my State Re & Senator to make this law, and they think i'm nutz... why would i be nutz to think that a person that commits a crime, shouldn't be held responsible for payment of that crime.... duh....
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    Damn. That's too bad. i think anyone with an out of state drivers license, or lack thereof, should be fined, jailed, and/or kicked out of the state.

    I'm fine with "local protestors" with skin in the game, but these out of towners, paid or unpaid, drive me crazy. That pipeline protest in the Dakota's pisses me off big time, especially the mess they left behind.
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    The only way a small minority can overcome a much larger majority is with violence.
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    Default NO NO NO

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
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    If you take everything that the nit-wit owns away: you're just gonna have to support him on either Welfare, or jail...
    BOB;
    ONCE CONVICTED, YOU WOULD NO LONGER BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY & ALL PUBLIC ASSISTANCE....
    i forgot to at that to my previous post...
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    Can't get food stamps in I think 6 stated if convicted on drug charges. Any other felony is ok to get them. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs...ed-drug-felons

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    In AZ if convicted and felony is not violent or assault convicted felons can file after 2 years, that's changed, to be in possession of a gun. I thought that was interesting as well. http://www.azfamily.com/story/288159...access-to-guns

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    Have been in the States for 30 years, havn't found a reason to protest yet, been making my small part of America great all by myself by getting up every morning and going to work, no need to get politicians, protesters or anybody else involved

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    every time we put restrictions on any part of the constitution we take another step towards less freedom.

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    Default I think companies should be fined for hiring them

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawhide kid View Post
    Damn. That's too bad. i think anyone with an out of state drivers license, or lack thereof, should be fined, jailed, and/or kicked out of the state.

    I'm fine with "local protestors" with skin in the game, but these out of towners, paid or unpaid, drive me crazy. That pipeline protest in the Dakota's pisses me off big time, especially the mess they left behind.
    A man was picked up today at my friends place of work, escorted away by police. My friend was told the guy had been deported before but came back across the border and was working there. My question is why aren't the companies penalized for hiring people who are not suppose to be here? This company has about 300 employees. Shouldn't companies be penalized for hiring them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustynail51 View Post
    every time we put restrictions on any part of the constitution we take another step towards less freedom.
    Exactly... This law is a horrible idea as protesting is one of the most American things someone can do... it's basically how our country got started and why we have our fantastic 1st Amendment.
    Some states implemented such laws during the civil rights movement... they often went hand in hand with sundowner laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Exactly... This law is a horrible idea as protesting is one of the most American things someone can do... it's basically how our country got started and why we have our fantastic 1st Amendment.
    Some states implemented such laws during the civil rights movement... they often went hand in hand with sundowner laws.

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    That's true. HOWEVER, and that's a big however, is it a true expression of one's basic liberty if the "protests" are organized and paid for by shadowy third parties who are bent on causing violence in order to subvert our constitutional government? Or is it an act of sedition? I would submit that peacefully organized protests to express your rights as CITIZENS is sacred to our society, but it is crossing the invisible line when ultra rich transnational billionaires are paying for and organizing and training large groups of people to cause violence in order to push forward their personal agendas.
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    Default Say goodnight....

    we are getting very close to being erased here.... not my intension to go to the political but more to the economic responsibility....but if we get nixed we had a good run......
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    To say that protesters are being paid to protest is just a smoke screen by the opposition to delegitimize the protesters and the cause they are supporting if there are so many people being paid for this where do I apply I have a lot of spare time. The protest must be in any one of the southern states need some time in the sun because I'm loosing my tan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KX5062 View Post
    That's true. HOWEVER, and that's a big however, is it a true expression of one's basic liberty if the "protests" are organized and paid for by shadowy third parties who are bent on causing violence in order to subvert our constitutional government? Or is it an act of sedition? I would submit that peacefully organized protests to express your rights as CITIZENS is sacred to our society, but it is crossing the invisible line when ultra rich transnational billionaires are paying for and organizing and training large groups of people to cause violence in order to push forward their personal agendas.
    Absolutely 100% on target.

    At the first episode of harming any one physically or any hint of property destruction the line from legal and proper protest has been severely crossed and then all legal means to quash is completely in order and 100% required. No if's and or But's..........Period.

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    What does this have to do with Spyder riding, working on spyders, if I want to read this kind of stuff I can go to fox news, CNN, and Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KX5062 View Post
    That's true. HOWEVER, and that's a big however, is it a true expression of one's basic liberty if the "protests" are organized and paid for by shadowy third parties who are bent on causing violence in order to subvert our constitutional government? Or is it an act of sedition? I would submit that peacefully organized protests to express your rights as CITIZENS is sacred to our society, but it is crossing the invisible line when ultra rich transnational billionaires are paying for and organizing and training large groups of people to cause violence in order to push forward their personal agendas.
    1. The recent protest have been peaceful... Berkeley had some issues but really was nothing compared to the 60's. If the political things we're seeing today had happened in the 60's you'd see real riots.
    2. The idea that there are paid protestors is ridiculous... it's simply not true. People are legitimately upset and afraid... and with good reason.
    3. If you're really worried about billionaires asserting control I suggest looking at the current administration and cabinet picks.


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