Trailering my Spyder RT?

[Frank G]

Backing in the saddle bags on both bikes come into play.

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Since you are having difficulty finding a stock Toy Hauler for your two spyders take a look at a custom Featherlite Trailer with living quarters. I would vision a loading and stacking system in the rear similar to a Nascar Hauler, and living quarters up front.

Check out this Grand Designs unit with an 18 ft. garage.
https://www.granddesignrv.com/showro...loorplans/398m

[marty1096]

We looked at and educated ourselves today. One a 44RLS forest river work and play, is in Tuscon 20 ft cargo length. It has a sliding glass door that separates the garage from living area.

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[marty1096]

Looked at Genesis 40GS and a something ss6 by Genesis. Sorry tired can't remember the exact model number. We looked at a Vengeance 424V22 I don't like that floor plan but it would work. I have looked at even though tired tonight your great suggestion of 398m. Since we both like it and like the floorplan we figured it would high dollar. However you sometimes get what you pay for. LOL I just have to make sure 18ft is actually 18ft. There is a location near me in West valley. Checking to see if they are open.

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[marty1096]

We also looked at some that just didn't work. We know more now than we did this morning and we know what we definitely don't want. Thanks for your help.

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[Frank G]

Loading Spyder's into trailers requires a lot of attention to avoid unwanted damage. Especially the first time.

When approaching the loading ramp the nose of the Spyder may hit the ramp before the front wheels hit the ramp. A simple solution I and others have used is to attach a 2 ft 2 X 6 on top of a 3 ft 2 x 6 (centered), place one end under the ramp door in the path of the front wheels. This allows the front on the Spyder to lift and avoid the nose bump.

The other issue is bottoming out when crossing the transition at the top of the ramp. You may or may not have this issue. My solution was to pump up the air suspension.

All trailers are different and just wanted to throw this out so there are no surprises. It would be nice if you could do a test load prior to purchase.

[jaherbst]

I like to put a 4X4 under the loading ramp end and then a split lengthwise 5/8th's piece of plywood. I do this after I run the front jack up all the way to the stops. This prevents any damage to the nose or the underbelly of the Spyder or ripping the trim off the bottom of the loading ramp.

Forrest River Work and Play 25WLB (30 foot) tongue pull. Love this trailer! Nice separate bedroom in front and living area that is plush with two HappyJack beds. Built in generator, ducted furnace, ducted air conditioning etc.

Jack

[marty1096]

Loading Spyder's into trailers requires a lot of attention to avoid unwanted damage. Especially the first time.

When approaching the loading ramp the nose of the Spyder may hit the ramp before the front wheels hit the ramp. A simple solution I and others have used is to attach a 2 ft 2 X 6 on top of a 3 ft 2 x 6 (centered), place one end under the ramp door in the path of the front wheels. This allows the front on the Spyder to lift and avoid the nose bump.

The other issue is bottoming out when crossing the transition at the top of the ramp. You may or may not have this issue. My solution was to pump up the air suspension.

All trailers are different and just wanted to throw this out so there are no surprises. It would be nice if you could do a test load prior to purchase.

Yes I was thinking of asking if I could do a test load before purchase. Doest hurt to ask.

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[marty1096]

I like to put a 4X4 under the loading ramp end and then a split lengthwise 5/8th's piece of plywood. I do this after I run the front jack up all the way to the stops. This prevents any damage to the nose or the underbelly of the Spyder or ripping the trim off the bottom of the loading ramp.

Forrest River Work and Play 25WLB (30 foot) tongue pull. Love this trailer! Nice separate bedroom in front and living area that is plush with two HappyJack beds. Built in generator, ducted furnace, ducted air conditioning etc.

Jack

Thank you I will print off the info to this one and add it to our folder of rv's

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[marty1096]

We know definitely we want:
5th wheel
Separated garage
Tri axle

Higher R value insulation
Ability to stand upright in bedroom. Can't do the crawl up thing.
Onan generator
Auto leveling
Ability to garage 2rts's
We aren't asking for much lol
He built himself online a GMC 350 duramax diesel with an Allison tranny.

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[marty1096]

It's just us two. We are antisocial. We don't throw parties and all our immediate family is dead. Not interested in a lot of beds chairs and tables and 5 TV's or latest entertainment center for the garage. We don't argue so he doesn't need to have entertainment center anywhere else but the bedroom and dinette area.

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[marty1096]

And maybe not even the bedroom. We are usually tired and don't look at TV in bedroom even at home.

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We are old, and proud we are old. LOL 😀

Thank you I will print off the info to this one and add it to our folder of rv's

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It's just us two. We are antisocial. We don't throw parties and all our immediate family is dead. Not interested in a lot of beds chairs and tables and 5 TV's or latest entertainment center for the garage. We don't argue so he doesn't need to have entertainment center anywhere else but the bedroom and dinette area.

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[marty1096]

http://www.fthr.com/products/recreat...ers/toy-hauler

http://www.fthr.com/products/recreat...rcycle-trailer

[WA5VHU]

We know definitely we want:
...He built himself online a GMC 350 duramax diesel with an Allison tranny.

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If you get something like the Momentum 398M trailer you start out with an advertised average dry weight of 15,100 lbs. and that is usually before the manufacturer adds any "options", real or imagined, such as the refrigerator, heaters, air conditioners, etc., even if these "options" normally come with every trailer they sell. Beware!


At 15,100 lbs, with nothing in the trailer, you are at 65% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


Add two Spyders and you are now up to at least 17,124 lbs.


Now you are at 74% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


Add your "stuff" you want to take with you - how much weight? Food and drinks, dishes, silverware, towels, rugs, tools, TV's, laptops, lawn chairs, portable grill, and a bag of charcoal, even the linens and pillows on the bed - it all adds up. If you are only going out for the weekends you can get by with a lot less stuff if you work at it but if you are going out for extended trips then the desire to take more stuff is really strong.

Let's add 1,000 lbs for all your "stuff", now at 18,124 lbs.


You are now at about 78% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


You shouldn't, but if you did fill the trailer with fresh water (with the smaller tank) and had the gray and waste tanks full you are now at 20,402 and are 402 lbs over the GVWR ratings of the trailer.


At 20,402 lbs you are now at 88% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


I have already made my comments about using a pickup truck for towing large and heavy RV trailers in an earlier post in this thread so I will let you come to your own conclusions on the above numbers. You can run your own numbers for other truck/trailer combinations.

Be safe out there...

Charles

[Frank G]

It's just us two. We are antisocial. We don't throw parties and all our immediate family is dead. Not interested in a lot of beds chairs and tables and 5 TV's or latest entertainment center for the garage. We don't argue so he doesn't need to have entertainment center anywhere else but the bedroom and dinette area.

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I thought Me and the wife were the two most antisocial people in the world, yep, new years eve watching the Ohio state game and posting on forums. Waiting for the Ball to drop, thinking everything trapped in Times Sq. is trying out the latest Depends under garments.

Maybe a sip of Jack later and off to bed... Happy New Year!

[marty1096]

I thought Me and the wife were the two most antisocial people in the world, yep, new years eve watching the Ohio state game and posting on forums. Waiting for the Ball to drop, thinking everything trapped in Times Sq. is trying out the latest Depends under garments.

Maybe a sip of Jack later and off to bed... Happy New Year!

Us too only no football. Thanks so much for the 398M suggestion. Looks like a go. Thanks again.[emoji2] happy new year to you and yours!

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[Frank G]

Take a look at Classie Chassis for your tow vehicle.

http://www.classychassistrucks.com/

They have been around a long time, will understand your requirements, color matched, and be totally set up with hitches. I personally think you are looking at a MDT for a 20,000 lb. pull.

Just a thought.

[marty1096]

We saw it today. Sat in it asks questions. I saw his face as he kicked back with his feet propped up. It's a go. I just have to do the process...Get ready. It's a real estate loan. 240 months. I hope we can get in position before interest rates go up.

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[marty1096]

Take a look at Classie Chassis for your tow vehicle.

http://www.classychassistrucks.com/

They have been around a long time, will understand your requirements, color matched, and be totally set up with hitches. I personally think you are looking at a MDT for a 20,000 lb. pull.

Just a thought.

not familiar with the phrase...muscle diesel truck?

[Frank G]

not familiar with the phrase...muscle diesel truck?

Medium Duty Truck, A step above the 3500

[marty1096]

[QUOTE=marty1096;1213766]Rear wheel ratio change. Ford can configure a f 350 dually that will pull 30000 when properly configured. http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...ations/towing/ we don't need a f450

[marty1096]

If you get something like the Momentum 398M trailer you start out with an advertised average dry weight of 15,100 lbs. and that is usually before the manufacturer adds any "options", real or imagined, such as the refrigerator, heaters, air conditioners, etc., even if these "options" normally come with every trailer they sell. Beware!


At 15,100 lbs, with nothing in the trailer, you are at 65% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


Add two Spyders and you are now up to at least 17,124 lbs.


Now you are at 74% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


Add your "stuff" you want to take with you - how much weight? Food and drinks, dishes, silverware, towels, rugs, tools, TV's, laptops, lawn chairs, portable grill, and a bag of charcoal, even the linens and pillows on the bed - it all adds up. If you are only going out for the weekends you can get by with a lot less stuff if you work at it but if you are going out for extended trips then the desire to take more stuff is really strong.

Let's add 1,000 lbs for all your "stuff", now at 18,124 lbs.


You are now at about 78% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


You shouldn't, but if you did fill the trailer with fresh water (with the smaller tank) and had the gray and waste tanks full you are now at 20,402 and are 402 lbs over the GVWR ratings of the trailer.


At 20,402 lbs you are now at 88% of the tow rating of that pickup truck.


I have already made my comments about using a pickup truck for towing large and heavy RV trailers in an earlier post in this thread so I will let you come to your own conclusions on the above numbers. You can run your own numbers for other truck/trailer combinations.

Be safe out there...

Charles

http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...ations/towing/

[WA5VHU]

[QUOTE=marty1096;1213782]

Rear wheel ratio change. Ford can configure a f 350 dually that will pull 30000 when properly configured. http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...ations/towing/ we don't need a f450

http://www.jackdanmayer.com/choosing...and_an_hdt.htm

[marty1096]

[QUOTE=WA5VHU;1213791]

http://www.jackdanmayer.com/choosing...and_an_hdt.htm

it says, "In more recent years the pickup class has greatly expanded their towing capacities. With the advent of what I call the "super pickups" - like the Ford F450/F550, and the newer Dodge 3500/5500 - you can pull most of the larger 5th wheels. These are worth considering if you are pulling a 5er in the sub-23,000 lb range. Over that and you will be far better served with an MDT or an HDT."

we are pulling a max of 20,000...really only 18000 that includes my weight, his weight, 3 containers of water full and my bike and his bike. We have a washer and dryer...so wont take tons of clothes or shoes. I am not a girlie girl, I don't travel with tons of stuff I don't need, less is more in my eyes...so I think a f350 with the gear ratio change or a 450 will be just fine for what we are towing...but talk to me two years from now after I have done it...I might tell you something different..
28400 towing capacity with a 3.55axle ratio or
32000 towing capacity with a 4.10axle ratio super cab f350 4x2 (2017) the articles you referred me to are 2013 articles. HD trucks appears to have changed for the better especially the diesels....


http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...ations/towing
















SUPER DUTY Specifications

Conventional Towing - Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight Ratings (lbs.)
				Regular Cab				Super Cab				Crew Cab
Engine with Automatic Transmission	Rear Axle	Axle Ratio	MAX GCWR (lbs.)	F-250 4x2	F-250 4x4	F-350 4x2	F-350 4x4	F-250 4x2	F-250 4x4	F-350 4x2	F-350 4x4	F-250 4x2	F-250 4x4	F-350 4x2	F-350 4x4	F-450 4x4
6.2 L Gas V8	SRW	3.73	19,500	13,300	12,900	13,100	12,600	13,000	12,600	12,900	12,400	12,900	12,500	12,700	12,300	-
	SRW	4.30	28,700	14,000	15,000	14,000	15,000	14,000	15,000	14,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	-
	DRW	3.73	20,000	-	-	13,200	12,700	-	-	12,700	12,300	-	-	12,500	12,100	-
	DRW	4.30	23,500	-	-	16,700	16,200	-	-	16,200	15,800	-	-	16,000	15,600	-
6.7L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel V8	SRW	3.31	28,700	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	18,000	17,600	18,000	18,000	-
	SRW	3.55	28,700	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	15,000	18,000	17,600	18,000	18,000	-
	DRW	3.55	36,000	-	-	21,000	20,000	-	-	21,000	21,000	-	-	21,000	21,000	-
	DRW	4.10	40,000	-	-	21,000	20,000	-	-	21,000	21,000	-	-	21,000	21,000	-
	DRW	4.30	41,800	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	21,000

5th Wheel Gooseneck Towing - Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight Ratings (lbs.)*
				Regular Cab				Super Cab				Crew Cab
Engine with Automatic Transmission	Rear Axle	Axle Ratio	MAX GCWR (lbs.)	F-250 4x2	F-250 4x4	F-350 4x2	F-350 4x4	F-250 4x2	F-250 4x4	F-350 4x2	F-350 4x4	F-250 4x2	F-250 4x4	F-350 4x2	F-350 4x4	F-450 4x4
6.2 L Gas V8	SRW	3.73	19,500	13,200	12,800	13,000	12,600	13,000	12,600	12,800	12,400	12,900	12,500	12,700	12,200	-
	SRW	4.30	28,700	15,700	15,300	16,500	16,100	15,500	15,100	16,300	15,900	15,400	15,000	16,200	15,700	-
	DRW	3.73	20,000	-	-	13,100	12,700	-	-	12,700	12,300	-	-	12,500	12,100	-
	DRW	4.30	23,500	-	-	16,700	16,200	-	-	16,200	15,800	-	-	16,000	15,600	-
6.7L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel V8	SRW	3.31	28,700	18,600	16,500	21,500	21,100	17,400	15,400	21,300	20,900	16,800	14,700	21,000	20,600	-
	SRW	3.55	28,700	18,600	16,500	21,500	21,100	17,400	15,400	21,300	20,900	16,800	14,700	21,000	20,600	-
	DRW	3.55	36,000	-	-	28,400	27,900	-	-	28,000	27,600	-	-	27,700	27,300	-
	DRW	4.10	40,000	-	-	32,000	31,900	-	-	32,000	31,600	-	-	31,700	31,300	-
	DRW	4.30	41,800	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	32,500
* 5th wheel hitch rated to a maximum of 27,500 lbs.