Thank you Bruce.
Now people know where to go for this remap. Your efforts much appreciated.
At least I now know that it is NOT a brp authorised remap.
All good, thanks everyone.
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Thank you Bruce.
Now people know where to go for this remap. Your efforts much appreciated.
At least I now know that it is NOT a brp authorised remap.
All good, thanks everyone.
Maybe get your facts right before inferring that I am telling lies. The remap that was done on my F3 and many other F3s was done to improve performance in 2nd gear, as I said in my original post. This was supplied to my dealer and a few others by BRP Australia.
It is not a full remap like the guy that offers his remapping service on Trade Me does.
I would take the upgrade was available .. warranty comes first though.
Well why have you not replied to feed #42
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/i...cons/icon1.pngColin - as it's a brp remap - any chance you can ask your dealer for any clues, like the number of the Technical Service Bulletin ?? What is the name of your dealer?
If I can give a reference number to my dealer, all is generally good; without it, not so good.
Failing a TSB, can you find anything specific I can pass on to my guy?
Now that I know there are quite a few spyders with this remap, I shall give a WA dealer a call... Wish me luck. If I find anything, I shall certainly pass on email info.
yes - the Perth one is the same one I mentioned as having the remap.
and yes it is Jason that told me about doing yours and yes he did work for BRP in Australia.
Hi Everyone
I had a call from one of my customers this morning regarding this thread and he wanted me to post a reply,
My name is Jason and im the guy mentioned in this thread, i was the workshop Manager at australia's largest and no1 Can Am dealership
and also have my own business remapping all types of seadoo and can am including spyders.
I have been remapping spyders since 2007/8 when they first came out,
Since then we have remapped a hell of alot of spyders in New Zealand, Australia, Europe, Asia and the Middle east.
On our remaps i do the following
Lift rev limiter
Change the way the traction control comes in
Optimize fuel and afr maps
Optimize timing maps
Optimize gear selection (auto trans)
Remove speed limit restrictors
and quite a bit more (trade secrets), so what you get is a bike with much more torque , faster and cleaner acceleration , better gear changing and better fuel economy its night and day difference.
These bikes from factory run lean to pass emission laws so the small mods that people tend to do like air filter, cat removal, exhaust mods etc etc will actually run your bike dangerously lean and you run the risk of melting a piston.
If you have played with your bike i suggest you remove the spark plugs and have a good look if they are white they are very lean if they are white with little specs on the electrode i would suggest your engine has been detonating either been to lean or wrong fuel.
The ecu's in these bikes are so smart and far superior to any ecu that you will get in a car in actual fact they have a couple of hundred maps just for the fueling side alone then you have timing and compensation maps etc but can only do so much to compensate changes from factory "stock".
I can remap any spyders from late 2007 to latest 2017, manual or auto.
As for the BRP" Remap" there isn't one brp have had small software changes and releases over the last few years one of them actually helped slightly with gear changes or laziness by adding a little bit of timing but this is only available when the dealer plugs buds in and the ecu needs a software upgrade.
I am a BRP authorised tech and have even done mapping for BRP.
A lot of the earlier 1330 did need the software upgrade but the later spyders have this from factory this is why some guys who have been to the dealership noticed a difference and some dont.
And to be honest even the latest bikes still suffer from the the lazyness in the gears but this we can change in the remaps.
The F3 that was mentioned in the "for sale ad" i remapped a few months ago i have actually messaged this customer to come here and share his findings with this group.
If you have any questions feel free to ask or message me
I can also be contacted on 0415041477
Thanks
Jason
Hey Jason, do you have a website or email contact to discuss details of all this sort of stuff for our Spyders, or would you rather do it here??
Oh, & do you do anything for the V-Twins too??
Hi Peter
I can be contacted on 0415041477 or mail rotaxracing@gmail.com for any questions, my new web site is been done as we speak!
Thanks
Jase
Always be wary of those that threaten to take your man card. My sons took mine years ago when I bought a Hybrid car and an electric mower. When I asked how to get it back I was told that I cannot ask,it was all very vague. :banghead:
After a few year ear I got an "official" man card, the rules are layer out quite clearly.
1 . You must burp your naame in front of other men, or,
2. You must build something with a power tool.
FYI, the hybrid car was gone in a year, what a bad idea, and the mower lasted a month.
Needless to say my wallet holds an official man card and my man cave / awesome garage, displays the certificate of authenticity. One other footnote, because of other reasons I had my testosterone checked. Normal levels are between 200 and 1,000, mine is over 850, not bad for a geezer.
Joe
I will not divulge the party that was mentioned but a week or two on this site there was a post talking about on each of the best Spyder techs in the USA, at a dealership that had devised a remapping and it was currently under trials for the past six months. What will happen with this who knows.
Let's face it, whether you need it or not there are always those looking for more power, new heights, more strength and better stamina, everyone is right, just some are more right than others.
After all, like the sign states, "If I were to agree with you, we would both be wrong!" Of course that is from one perspective.
Joe
jase, what is the address of your new website????
is it something like rotaxracing.com ?????
How would someone in the US take advantage of this remaping service? Can you send a file that can be uploaded to the bike via BUDS?
A basic buds check, fault clear, maint reset etc wont harm our files as they are stored in a different part of the ecu
But if you had a full firmware update (very very unlikely)yes this can run risks of the tune been wiped.
I keep all my customers details on file as well as software/firmware versions and can always rewrite tune at no cost just a small post back fee.
@Jase
Does updating the ECU void manufacturer warranty?
Also, prior to reading this thread I was wondering if ECU setup/coding is a big part of the difference between the regular F3 and the F3-S? (the extra ~10 ponies)
I have a stock F3-S D500 (SE), and it's pretty snappy. However, I'd really love to have smoother shifting from 1'st to second. Sometimes it's a bit rough IMO. (Maybe that's completely normal.) Feathering the throttle does help, but not always. (So I'm not so sure it's the right way to do things.*)
Note: Have owned quite a few sport bikes in the past. This is the first "paddle shift" machine I've ever owned/driven.
~Bob
"only a 2 cylinder" is one of the reasons it has more torque. Engines with fewer (yet larger) cylinders and longer strokes tend to have more TQ than shorter stroke multi-cyl engines. Don't forget, we are only 1330 cc. We have more hp than a H-D, but require much higher rpm to achieve that power. Personally, I prefer the higher TQ in the lower rpm range that I use most. (how often are you at >6000 rpm where your HP resides?)
hi Jason,
would you be able to provide a cost in US dollars if we were to send you the ECU? Also, what is the turn around time if being mailed from the US? was thinking this can be an option once the bike is parked for the winter months.
is it easy to remove the ecu?
thanks!
Hi Bob
The warranty this is really up to your dealers discretion,
You have to remember that "ALL" manufactures dont want any of there products changed in any way.
This includes changing of tyres , or exhaust , changes , air filter changes , cat bypass the smallest of things can void your warranty unless bought from the manufacturer.
In saying this my tunes are virtually untraceable and having worked around brp dealerships for many years i do know they will never have the equipment to read the ecu.
The coding between all the models are similar (vary from software versions) but each bike has different every day running maps all the can ams are very restricted from factory so there is a great difference between a stock and modified map and this includes helping with gear changing.
Thanks
Jase
Hi
Im quite happy to give pricing via pm at this stage, i want to email the powers upstairs of this web site and get the ok to put the pricing on a open forum ( don't like to step on anyone's toes)
My service is fairly quick i normally say a time of 7-10 days.
depending on the bike is depending where the ecu is but normally down on the lhs under the cowling.
The ecu is held in via 3 screws if you unplug the 2 x main wire plugs (on these the plugs have a little push tang if you push this in and sweep the locking arm open in one movement the plug will come out fairly easy)
If anyone has a issue in removing these i might be able to do a step by step drawing.
Shipping these days is very fast,i just sent a ecu back to greece from australia and it took 4 days.
Any questions please feel free to ask
Thanks
Jase
Just sent you a PM Jase. :thumbup:
Very interested in this. I heard someone in Canada was doing a similar thing, but it sounds like Jase really knows what he's talking about.
A thought comes to mind.....
Is it possible to have two ECU's and swap them from a regular one to a re-mapped one? Could a person buy an extra ECU, send it to Jase for the updates and then just replace it with their stock ECU when he ships it back? This would allow you to switch back, send it in for re-mapping again if needed without downtime, etc.