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Originally Posted by Lamonster
Do you know if there is any adjustments (fore/aft) on that backrest?
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Originally Posted by Lamonster
Do you know if there is any adjustments (fore/aft) on that backrest?
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Originally Posted by Spyderjockey
That's your opinion. Am I not entitled to my own?
Just calling a spade a spade.
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Originally Posted by PrairieSpyder
That's what I was referring to when I noted: I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.
It's hardly hostility. It's disappointment.
Just working from memory, I remember seeing the demographics of Spyder buyers. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe the number one buyer group was age 50-60, number 2 was 60-70, number 3 was 70-80, number 4 was 40-50, number 5 was 30-40. I hope I got that right, maybe someone can confirm or correct this, maybe I have number 3 and 4 backwards. Point was, the Spyder buyer has turned out to be more mature and financially sound than originally predicted. An OEM builds what they can sell, so the model offerings will follow what the market is willing to buy.
With the population of RT units so much higher than RS/ST units it only stands to reason that the RT would be the segment to get the new engine, and it is in year seven of Spyder production that this occurs. Back in 2007 we were asking for a bigger engine, for those that were riding Spyders back in the beginning likely remember that original impression. Some things take time.
When we were told about them they were not adjustable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkLawson
But who knows what tomorrow will bring for the RS? :dontknow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Paisley
The Triple might not fit undeath that bodywork...
The new cooling system, the new charging system; this stuff might all just take up more space than the RS had under it's skirts... :shocked:
Made me look too!:lecturef_smilie:
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Originally Posted by sledmaster
That sounds about right. When we last had a poll here, the results were very similar.
I agree that due to the price point and marketing, the Spyder demographic is older.
As a stock holder and Spyder owner, I openly express my disappointment based on my "RSS Ownership" and the current focus of their efforts.
Again, I LOVE my Spyder. I just wish BRP would give the sportier group some attention.
Sorry if I offend anyone.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Bob, I get excited each year. Each year, I am let down.
I 100% FULLY expect another ST/RT focus for 2015.
BRP is certainly making more $ from their older RT/ST demo. No surprise there.
I do not expect any focus to be made towards a model that is not as "Popular" as the other.
This, although true; sucks!
It's not just you, Bro! I just finished looking over the '14 RSS..............................what a snooze fest. Made me glad I bought a '12. Maybe next year? 200+ RWHP, defeatable traction control, VSS, and ABS, 16" wheels/appropriately sized brakes/calipers, 125lbs less blubber!Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Paisley
But calling us, "Over the Hill"?? That was cold... :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Paisley
I honestly think that 2015 will get nothing but BNGs for the RT...
I think that if any more kinks show up in the ST's armor; they MIGHT need a bit of a lick and some polish...
The RS has soldiered on without complaints for several years; it's "Day in the Sun" is coming much quicker than you think! :thumbup:
For me this is both good news and bad news. Since I just bought my 2013 RS-S on July 1st I'm glad the bike and motor is not already outdated. But on the other hand I'm already wishing the bike had more power. I guess over all I dodged a bullet when I purchased the 2013 halfway through the year.
Over the hill as is +50 is not old (nor useless), just a identifiable demographic that BRP Focuses on.
As noted, I didn't intend on offending any of the seniors. :>
some of you may feel neglected, and that is reasonable
but as an RT owner, and omeone who goes on some long trips, I am delighted that they finally realized that the RT, given its function and purpose, and as others have stated in this thread, it needed improvements
now, we can stop screaming our engines on the interstate, we can ride longer between gas stations, we have get the power needed to haul heavier loads (whether it be riding 2 up or hauling a trailer behind us)
for those that feel neglected, you can rest assured that you will get upgrades, not just right now... but you know they will come
Since everyone seems to be chiming in, I figured I would also. What no RED??? Just got my '13 RT last June - and I love it. In the shop for right hand module replacement (cruise control issue)and recent recall. Aside from 600 mile service and having them install some of my farkels, that's been it. And I'll say it again, no RED for '14?? So if you're out there wondering what to do and you want RED, better grab a '13, you wont regret it.
Oh, my demographic is 74+ single retired guy, just the kid of buyer BRP must be looking for. :yes::yes:
Why the colors on the 2014 RTs? There is no need for jazzy colors on the 2014s. They just gave you a new engine and new tranny, so that alone is enough to get many to step up. An OEM usually saves the color "card" for later years in a model's lifetime to entice more buyers. For 2014, they go back to basic colors and rely on the new technology to be the reason to jump in. They will likely sell about as many 2014 RTs as they can build the way it is, so they can save the color crowd for next year, and the next.
The backrest is fugly. I will keep my Utopia it is adjustable up and down forward and back. If they get the heat issue solved on my '13 (or I do) I will not be looking for a '14 based on my own experience. Who wants to be a beta tester? Sure on paper it has some nice improvements but I have already been reading about inline 3 cylinder failure issues so I will let someone else run 50k + miles on one for me. Wife already told me I could get one and I said not yet.... I assume the frame/geometry changes to the 13 were in prep for the 14 is there any other changes to it Lamonster? I did not see a list of colors could someone post them but I would go with HHR Orange myself ( I had an Orange HHR loved it).
I can't decide if Cognac is cool or cradle gravy :yikes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lookerjdc
Cognac! :thumbup:
(I may even have to buy a bottle of it to toast the new bike!)
This is good progress.:2excited::2excited:
I guess you must have since you bought a 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magdave
Seems to me that the improvements outweigh the shortcomings. Color can be changed; back rests can be changed; but a 6th gear and another cylinder can not!
:yikes::clap: You got me on that one how about burn me once shame on you burn me twice shame on me :roflblack: Seriously I could have bought a '12 RTS or my '13 RT but got convinced by the dealer the changes were worth it on the '13. You know what I think of my dealer now don't ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpyderAnn01
While I can appreciate the improvements with the RT for the long distance touring crowd BRP has totally alienated the sport riders that ride Spyders for 2014. Age doesn't have as much to do with it as just preferred riding style...
BRP: Hint Hint...some of your RS riders are over the age of 50 and they all don't want RT's...:thumbup: Maybe give us a software upgrade to unleash some of that Aprilia HP. We don't need a low rpm high torque triple. we are not towing anything. :ohyea:
I know for sure that nobody I know with an RS/GS is going to upgrade to a newer 2014 RS with the new "improvements" that have been released.
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Originally Posted by Derek Paisley
Sounded like hostile disappointment to me.