I have the ACE 1330. I'm in the right subforum I hope!
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I have the ACE 1330. I'm in the right subforum I hope!
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I'd like to think that the Mob 1 change has resulted in better mileage which I have gotten over the last 1,500 miles, on the order of 2+ mpg, but I've also upped my shifting points. I've also ditched ECO mode. Too many variables changed to identify the key one.
I used the 4T in my 2008 Ninja 650r and had no issues. At some point I will be making the change if the results come back good :D and I believe they will. More MPG!?!? Who wouldn't want to change it!?????
The Mobil 1 in question was the 4T 10/40 (the V Twin is 20/50 for air-cooled V Twins that specify the higher viscosity). 4T is rated JASO MA-1 and is indeed a very good oil. I put over 100K on my GL1800 with mostly 4T in it. At 100K it consumed very little oil, hardly any more than when it was new. Never had a trace of clutch slippage. Honda specified JASO MA in the owner's manuals back then which was before JASO came out with two spec's -- MA-1 and MA-2. My GL1800 was an '03 and I see yours is '01. Since Honda spec'd JASO MA, by default that means that under the new system, MA-1 would be fine. Unfortunately BRP chooses to not provide any such information so we can make an informed decision, instead just saying "Trust us. Use BRP oil". There were anecdotal reports of clutch slippage with 4T so some people, such as Scotty, figured why take a chance? Good MA-2 oils are available so why not use them? The open question here is would the 1330's ever develop slippage with an MA-1 rated oil? Do they need MA-2? Since we have no engineering or scientific evidence either way, you pays your money and you takes your chance. Individual decision. Neither one is right nor wrong.
We now have over 500 miles on the new oil (in 4 days) and I have not noticed even the hint of a slip and I can guarantee we are probably moving more total mass than 99% out there. If anything, I think it grabs better. I have been really paying attention, also. I may be wrong, but I think the M1 clutch slippage was due to cage oil, not the 4t oil.
Glad to hear the Mobil 1 4T is doing well. As I said, I always liked it in the 'Wing. I know there were many cases of automotive oil being the culprit in clutch slippage, including automotive Mobil 1. I recall there were a few instances of motorcycle oil 4T resulting in slippage but I'd be hard pressed to prove it. My memory is as fallible as anyone's.
PK, here's Steve M's correction to what was erroneously published in the F3 operator's guide.
FWIW, from the F3 service manual:
Sorry, PK, here's the link. Brain was fading last night. Too much yard work, not enough riding. Link reports erroneous API service classification SM and SN for F3.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...0-Oil-Level-on
Chill out, please. I made my comment for a little relaxed tongue-in-cheek humor. If the only way you can make your point is to call me obnoxious names and claim I don't deal in facts, then you are the one misinterpreting. Check my posts. Facts. When an opinion, it's clearly labeled as such. This is exactly why I stopped posting on this forum for a long time. Didn't even read it. Wasn't worth it. Who wants to read posts where everyone is just calling each other names? Thought things in this forum were getting better. Guess I was wrong. Time to disappear again.
.....and, back to this awesome M1 oil, I ran a tank out (at least until the low fuel came on) and got right at 200 miles! It held 5.4 gallons when filled up, so that's about 37-38 miles per gallon. At an additional 5 miles per gallon over 5,000 miles, at around $3.00 a gallon, that gives about 1/2 gallon, or $1.50 a tank. That would be 25 tanks, or almost $40. The better mileage paid for the filter and almost 3 quarts of oil....... Not bad!!
Now I realize these figures are just averages, but I am impressed.
Doc,
Glad to hear that you're diggin' it! :thumbup:
Another spat in an oil thread... who would have figured? :dontknow:
:D Thanks! :thumbup:
I think I'd be buying gas a little sooner in the future. Who knows how far the next gas station is. I have also not bought gas until the low light comes on but I've never put more than 5.5 gallons in the tank. I'm thinking your were cutting it pretty close to running out.:yikes::yikes:
Well as usual I prefer to be somewhat different. So at this OIL change ( 4,987 miles and I plan to have it tested Rotella T-6, 5W40 Full Syn )....I am trying Rotella " T " ,a 15W -40 because an unexpected journey came up ( approx. 800 miles total ) and I wasn't going to go past 5 K on the T-6........I only plan to use it for maybe 2000 miles before I put the Spyder to bed for the winter, so I wasn't suoer concerned about longevity......I put in 4 1/2 qts.....and started it up and it really sounded ....smoother (?)......So I hopped on and took it for an easy warm-up ride. Well I'll say this for a straight DINO - OIL I think it was smoother than my full syn T-6.......especially when shifting into reverse and back into drive.....I then checked the " up to TEMP " level and added about 1/4 Qt.........I'll report back after I get home about this OIL ......Mike :thumbup:
I like pushing things. (Not literally!)
My tank amounts (gallons) thus far: 6.212, 5.834, 5.688, 5.747, 1.305, 5.606, 5.879, 5.468, 5.804, 5.170, 4.381, 5.594, 4.601, 3.037 & 4.210.
Some previous adventures on my Valkyrie: http://www.f6cforum.com/forum/8-hond...0-how-far.html
I measured the oil that came out (no filter change) and 4.5 liters (4.9qt) came out so I put the same amount back in. My dip stick measures a little above the "low" mark. I'll leave it that way since I don't want to overfill it and that is an adequate amount of oil. (IMO a lot of people stress too much trying to get the oil to the "high" mark. There is a 500 cc difference between "low" and "high".)
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...d=113102&stc=1
I won't be going back to this oil. This is two different labs that have come back with the same info and told me the oil is thinner than it should be.
Not good results
I am guessing mobil 1 is not a winner on the lab test??? :dontknow: