I am sure that this will get attacked from all sides.
Does anyone with a manual transmission clutch-less shift?
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I am sure that this will get attacked from all sides.
Does anyone with a manual transmission clutch-less shift?
This has been asked before, a few times. Why would you be attacked? I don't do it; but, there a number of others that do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip
Some people do. I don't. Why take a chance and damage it. .
David
Yes, it isn't hard to do and it doesn't hurt a thing if done properly. The only reason to do it, in my opinion, is drag racing. Otherwise, I always use the clutch.
:agree::agree: I agree that a lot of people do it. If you have a manual shift you should get to know how to do it just in case you have a clutch system failure. There is no reason that a broken clutch cable or master/slave cylinder failure would keep you from getting home. Getting started can be a bit of a trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by BajaRon
I can but the clutch is much less expensive to replace than the transmission.
I generally use the clutch for start ups but shift up with equalizing rpms. In the car you can do it both up and down because you can pop it into nuetral without having to pass any other gear. Simple constant pressure on the shift without jamming and it will slide right into the next gear when the rpms are equal...:thumbup:
Yes it can be done. I did it with my 2008 GS all the time.... almost 80,000 miles and never needed a clutch or had any other engine or tranny problems.
I had to due it while on a trip through the Upper Peninsula of Michigan on my 2012 RT because my clutch went soft and wouldn't work. Only trouble was when I had to stop for gas.. wasn't sure I'd be able to get going again. Finally made it somewhere that had the proper clutch fluid, topped it off and things were good again. I rode a few hundred miles having to shift without the clutch.
Done it a handful of times on my 2015 F3.
If done properly it won't do damage, but there isn't really that much need for it....
As I was riding home from Washington and my clutch started going out I spent a lot of time thinking about this. :roflblack: Lucky for me the clutch made it home and to the dealer and when I get it back I will continue to use it!
Never tried it on my 08 SM5. Used the clutch for the whole 23,500 miles I owned it.
Yes I do about 50/50. 2-5 but more so 3-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip
Bob
Yes, but usually just 3-5 up-shifts, 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 are hard to do so you aren't loading the drive train.:gaah:
I do it often, mostly between 3-6. Its a good skill to practice, just in case.
I know this is an old thread, but I just tried this yesterday. I've shifted my 2 wheelers without using the clutch so I wanted to see how it compared. I was surprised at how effortlessly it shifted. No clunk or grind. Almost like the SE5 shifting.
Because a motorcycle has a constant mesh transmission, and there is no neutral between gears (except 1st & 2nd), It isn't difficult at all to do. A car is more difficult, though I have done clutch less shifts there as well. If done correctly, this creates no issues or problems.
Only when racing someone.....
I used to enjoy doing this all over town at low speeds in my '65 Impala SuperSport 4-speed. I drove that car 60,000 miles without ever hurting the transmission or clutch. :doorag:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chupaca
Ok.....but why?!
There isn't really any reason to do clutch-less shifting other than drag racing or to practice for drag racing. Except that when I had knee surgery and a full leg cast. The only way I could drive with 1 leg was to shift without using the clutch. It was pretty dicey to get started, especially on any kind of hill. Mostly, I avoided stopping on an uphill incline during those days. But once moving, it was a piece of cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by TONYO
My GS sm5 with the cable throttle was like butter shifting clutch-less, my F3S with the fly-by-wire throttle is not as easy for me to get perfect every time.
The transmissions seem bullet proof, but with the front sprocket/spline issues some are experiencing I just feel better with some cushion from the clutch.
You can do it. If you do it wrong you're gonna wear harder on parts like the syncros and shift fork pads.